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greater good

/facepalm

I hate that term
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Greater good of who? General Electric and Phillips?
 
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/facepalm

I hate that term

Fine... "cost-benefit analysis".
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It has already been established that the government has the power of regulation. Immediate danger is not a requirement for regulation. Government is regulating incandescent light bulb for the greater good.... like lead paint or lead in gas.


Simply because one (or many) has the power to do something, that means they should? They also have the power to fix the economy, but instead they force people buy pay more for gas and buy expensive light bulbs; for the greater good.

But you make a great point about lead. Its toxic, so they removed it from our daily lives. Mercury is also toxic and they are putting it into our lives. At our expense. And all those people who don't dispose of these things properly will be creating a big deposit of mercury in the land fills.
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...they force people...buy expensive light bulbs...

I love how people ignore the fact that those "expensive light bulbs", after reduced power consumption and longer life are factored in, actually cost considerably less than incandescents. I've been using CFLs for several years now and I'm spending far less for lighting (cost of replacement bulbs and electricity) than I did when using incandescents. Added to that, I don't have to replace bulbs anywhere nearly as frequently. At my age, that is huge, especially for the enclosed fixtures in the bathroom and hallway. Those are literally a pain to change out.

For outside, I've been using halogens since they perform better in cold weather. They are also dimmable. When they start dying and I start to run out of replacements, I'm going to be looking into LEDs for them.

And please don't pull the unnatural light card on me. CFLs are available in warm white and daylight. The warm whites give the same warm glow that incandescents give out. Cree warm white LEDs also put out the same kind of light but are too long for my bedroom, kitchen and living room fixtures. They will work just fine in my bathroom and hallway and, probably, all but one of my outside fixtures (I use a 100 watt halogen in that one).

As far as the mercury danger goes, the benefit of greenhouse gas reduction from CFLs usage far outweighs the harm caused by the trace amounts of mercury in CFLs. People, please, do your homework!
Edited by Lady Fitzgerald - 1/9/14 at 5:07pm
     
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Originally Posted by schmotty View Post

Simply because one (or many) has the power to do something, that means they should? They also have the power to fix the economy, but instead they force people buy pay more for gas and buy expensive light bulbs; for the greater good.

But you make a great point about lead. Its toxic, so they removed it from our daily lives. Mercury is also toxic and they are putting it into our lives. At our expense. And all those people who don't dispose of these things properly will be creating a big deposit of mercury in the land fills.
The government does not have the power to fix the economy... and fixing an economy is not easy. Who ever told you that is ignorant or lied to you. The world is vastly more nuanced. (I have a B.S. in Economics.)

Your premise is wrong on the cost of the light bulbs. They force people to buy LESS expensive light bulbs BECAUSE people are buying more wasteful light bulbs. You are only considering the initial fixed costs without consideration of the variable costs. You have to look at TCO.

Mercury is toxic but the mercury generated from using the older bulbs is greater.

There is no free lunch. But the cost-benefit analysis results in that LED and CCFL bulbs generate less pollution and cost less than traditional incandescents.
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I love how people ignore the fact that those "expensive light bulbs", after reduced power consumption and longer life are factored in, actually cost considerably less than incandescents.
Plus the 53w Halogen bulbs are still available for $3 for a pack of 4 cheap ones or $10 for a pack of 4 GE Reveal.
 
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I love how people ignore the fact that those "expensive light bulbs", after reduced power consumption and longer life are factored in, actually cost considerably less than incandescents. I've been using CFLs for several years now and I'm spending far less for lighting (cost of replacement bulbs and electricity) than I did when using incandescents. Added to that, I don't have to replace bulbs anywhere nearly as frequently. At my age, that is huge, especially for the enclosed fixtures in the bathroom and hallway. Those are literally a pain to change out.

For outside, I've been using halogens since they perform better in cold weather. They are also dimmable. When they start dying and I start to run out of replacements, I'm going to be looking into LEDs for them.

And please don't pull the unnatural light card on me. CFLs are available in warm white and daylight. The warm whites give the same warm glow that incandescents give out. Cree warm white LEDs also put out the same kind of light but are too long for my bedroom, kitchen and living room fixtures. They will work just fine in my bathroom and hallway and, probably, all but one of my outside fixtures (I use a 100 watt halogen in that one).

As far as the mercury danger goes, the benefit of greenhouse gas reduction from CFLs usage far outweighs the harm caused by the trace amounts of mercury in CFLs. People, please, do your homework!

I have been using CFL as well. Over the last year I replaced every bulb in my house with CFL. Some of them twice. The outside lights are still incandescent because CFLs dont work in the cold and LEDs cost more than I want to pay for a light bulb (I'd rather walk in the dark). I actually hate using incandescent bulbs because of the power consumption. But it's been my choice to do so.

BTW, I did do my homework. If we don't agree it must be because I'm ignorant. rolleyes.gif

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The government does not have the power to fix the economy... and fixing an economy is not easy. Who ever told you that is ignorant or lied to you. The world is vastly more nuanced. (I have a B.S. in Economics.)

Your premise is wrong on the cost of the light bulbs. They force people to buy LESS expensive light bulbs BECAUSE people are buying more wasteful light bulbs. You are only considering the initial fixed costs without consideration of the variable costs. You have to look at TCO.

Mercury is toxic but the mercury generated from using the older bulbs is greater.

There is no free lunch. But the cost-benefit analysis results in that LED and CCFL bulbs generate less pollution and cost less than traditional incandescents.

I get it. A taxi costs less than a car payment up front, but taking a taxi 20 miles to work 5 days a week, would cost me more in the long term. You are missing my point. I like less pollution. I like less power consumption. I like more money in my wallet, now and later. But I want the choice to do these things, so it is my responsibility and I can take pride in knowing I'm a part.
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I get it. A taxi costs less than a car payment up front, but taking a taxi 20 miles to work 5 days a week, would cost me more in the long term. You are missing my point. I like less pollution. I like less power consumption. I like more money in my wallet, now and later. But I want the choice to do these things, so it is my responsibility and I can take pride in knowing I'm a part.
We have had the choice for over a decade at this point.... and people still have not made the rational move.

i.e. Smoking is bad for people and provides very little positive benefit... yet people still choose to smoke even before they are addicted. Individual's choice but society has to pay so governments decided to make society better through regulation.
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governments decided to make society better through regulation.

I don't care how good of a point you made. This sentence is just too short-sighted for me to ingest mentally.

edit: yes I know I took it out of context. TBH it just jumped right out of context by itself from my point of view. Take no offense.
Edited by un-midas touch - 1/10/14 at 11:42am
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