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Interesting, I still don't know why you are going with a pc especially if it is just for video editing. Hardware wise the mac's and pcs are virtually identical, software wise though the mac tends to be much better for multimedia especially video editing. The other thing is that if this particular computer is going to be on the internet, how long do you think it will take for someone in your church to mess up a pc? Not everyone is as computer savvy as the people on this board. Also they will probably ask you to come in and fix it everytime someone installs a piece of software on the pc that they weren't suppose to. Trust me this becomes annoying after you've pulled off bonzai buddy of the unit 15 times, and every time something different happens they will call you in to fix it. I get sick of doing it and I get paid to do it. I don't even wanna think about doing it for free, as will probably be the case with you. You can put together a decent power mac for around 6k USD which will be more than enough for your video needs, I doubt you guys are doing commercial grade stuff like movies and tv shows. I had a friend who worked in a production house, they used powermacs, avid and a 5 TB scsi rack to video edit. People use macs because of the software, not because of the hardware. Getting a windows based pc that is going to be used by multiple people is going to give you headaches, you are much better going with a mac in this case. The harddrives you can stick any sata drive in there, they don't have to be mac ones, and the installation is really simple, all you have to do is open the side, pull out the hd tray, put the hd in the tray and shove it back in the mac. I'm a pc user for one reason, games. Everyone I know that does video editing either owns a mac or wishes they had one. Anyways good luck with your final choice, hope it works out for you.

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At the above- Make it so only Admin can install software. DONE!
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At the above- Make it so only Admin can install software. DONE!
Doesn't always work and there are ways to circumvent that, the other problem is who are they going to make the admin? What if the admin isn't available and they need to install/remove something? The account management in xp isn't really the greatest IMO, but then again I'm not going to be the one dealing with these problems so he is free to choose whatever he wants. I just think he is going to run into a lot of problems he is not seeing right now.
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But he can't run MAC OSX unless he gets a MAC
I'm recommending a Mac
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omg, dude 7k on a computer...

ok, go quad core for now ok? server boards take ECC RAM which is slower, and not really meant to be used for like a editing computer, but to be super stable and host online games and such.

SO:
ok i got it to $4700 w/XPx64 no vid apps, you can choose those

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz - $1k

ABIT AW9D $185

2x
G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 - $1k

LIAN LI PC-201A full tower case - $300

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Maxtor MaXLine Pro 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s - $550

2x
SAMSUNG Silver-Black 20.1" 5ms DVI LCD Monitor -$710

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SONY 16X DVD±R DVD Burner- $90

eVGA Geforce 7950GT KO 512MB GDDR3 -$265

TOPOWER TOP 1000W Power Supply -$360

Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition -$140

SABRENT SATA-PE44 PCI Express SATA II just in case you want more then four SATA ports

Logitech MX518 $40

Logitech G11 $60

sub total $4682
was $80 shipping to Detroit

leaves you room to spend like 5k on other stuff

and you can OC that CPU maybe get it to 3ghz or something

EDIT, a guy said you need long SATA cables for that case, so heres some 24" cables that come to $14 (3.50x4)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812123171
    
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Sony Vegas is suppose to be an excellent program for Video Editting.
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this sounds like a catholic privater school instead of a church. my school has tv annoucnments and is just loaded with oodles of cash...but the morning tv just scucks well i want to wish you luck on your friken expensive rig!
no it's a Christian "non denominational" church but were pretty big

We are locking this computer in a very secure room and only people who know what they are doing will have access to this PC there's a very little chance that someone will install something there not supposed to because everyone who doesn't know what they are doing is scared that they will break it so they ask before installing much of anything. I'm not too worried about people messing up the computer as we have had a number of computers over the years and have had no problems.

i get that many people think that a mac's software is superior but there are many reasons why a Macintosh
1. some of the people we are working with do this as their job and they prefer a PC over a mac.
2. like you said were not doing anything like a TV show or a movie but we still do projects that are huge amounts of data so we need the most stable and the fastest system possible in our budget.
3. we can get much more power for our money going with a PC considering i can build an octo core, server based, extremely stable (which means not as much lost time in crashes), and two 20" monitors for 7k. for 7k we couldn't get anything near that powerful going with a mac. and like i said before we need something powerful and stable and not necessarily the most frills when it comes to the finial product even though the people who really know what they are doing at my church seem to think a PC is just as good in that category as any mac they have ever tried.

i just don't see how we could get the most out of a Macintosh in this situation. If we had alot more money and we could get a mac with the same or near the same hardware then it might be an option but when it comes to bang for your buck i think a PC is the only way to go.
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omg, dude 7k on a computer...

ok, go quad core for now ok? server boards take ECC RAM which is slower, and not really meant to be used for like a editing computer, but to be super stable and host online games and such.

SO:
ok i got it to $4700 w/XPx64 no vid apps, you can choose those

Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz - $1k

ABIT AW9D $185

2x
G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 - $1k

LIAN LI PC-201A full tower case - $300

4x
Maxtor MaXLine Pro 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s - $550

2x
SAMSUNG Silver-Black 20.1" 5ms DVI LCD Monitor -$710

2x
SONY 16X DVD±R DVD Burner- $90

eVGA Geforce 7950GT KO 512MB GDDR3 -$265

TOPOWER TOP 1000W Power Supply -$360

Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition -$140

SABRENT SATA-PE44 PCI Express SATA II just in case you want more then four SATA ports

Logitech MX518 $40

Logitech G11 $60

sub total $4682
was $80 shipping to Detroit

leaves you room to spend like 5k on other stuff

and you can OC that CPU maybe get it to 3ghz or something

EDIT, a guy said you need long SATA cables for that case, so heres some 24" cables that come to $14 (3.50x4)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812123171
no we really do need a server based system for the stability... you don't understand how terrible it is working sometimes hours and hours and then even if you save all the time sometimes your file can become corrupt and you loose a ton of work... and then you have to go back to an autosave and you still loose alot of work.

you also need all 8 cores for HD video editing. when encrypting a video or making changes to a video it will use as many cores as you give it. if you go online and look at the pre built systems people often use computers almost exactly the same as the one i put the list together for. you really can use all that power and we will definatley make use of it no problem.

there's no way i am going to convince all these people who work with computers like this at their work that we should get anything less. no way.
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Does your church have High Def Tvs? If it doesn't whats the point in Editing if HD if you can't notice the difference in quality. I do a lot of video editing. If you are concerned with statbility get a mac. Mac OS and software for it runs more stable. If you do go with PC The rig in my sig is more than enough for Adobe Premiere Pro or Sony Vegas Video. Also, I think because server based systems have error checking it may take longer to render videos and other files. good luck with what ever you choose, but don't spend too much on a rig that you don't need to power for. - VRWM
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yes we have high def projectors in the sanctuary and when you use the high def videos to make dvd quality video it still looks better than if you don't have high definition to start with.
we have talked to many people who use macs to edit their video and they say that macs still crash just as often as the server based PCs that they have used. one of the confusions on that issue is that the high end macs are actually server based with error correcting memory and all aswell and that's why they seem so much more stable because their hardware is server based, you can even look at the memory i chose and most of the people that left reviews bought that memory for a mac. any high end video editing computers are going to be Xeon based systems with the same error correcting memory as we would put in this PC. people compare non server based Pcs to server based Mac and that's how they get the misconception that they are more stable.

the rig in your sig may be more than enough for adobe premier pro but not necessarily for high definition and more than likely not for the long duration high data use that we would be using.

there is also no way we would overclock a machine that we need to be extremely stable for years to come so there's no way we are going to get a kentsfield and overclock it to 3 Ghz.
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