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Poll Results: Which Cooler Master Elite ITX Case do you own?

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post #681 of 912
recommend you change the orientation of the front case fans attached to your rad to push air out of the case from the front, rather than pull air into the case. The rear of the case will supply ample air flow for your CPU cooler.
post #682 of 912
might be a stupid question, but how should I set up my fans? currently I have 2 120mm fans as intake (front and side mount) and the 80mm fan as outake. the psu is intaking fresh air so should I flip it so that it would intake from case? also i have intels stock cooler, so does it even sense to flip the psu?
post #683 of 912
Quote:
Originally Posted by ranjeetsodhi View Post

recommend you change the orientation of the front case fans attached to your rad to push air out of the case from the front, rather than pull air into the case. The rear of the case will supply ample air flow for your CPU cooler.

Wouldn't that just pull warm air from inside the case through the radiator? With that setup what's pulling air into the case? Surely I'd have to flip my PSU orientation?

For what it's worth I haven't seen the CPU temp go above 42c now that I have the Seidon pump running on full.
post #684 of 912
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ranjeetsodhi View Post

recommend you change the orientation of the front case fans attached to your rad to push air out of the case from the front, rather than pull air into the case. The rear of the case will supply ample air flow for your CPU cooler.

Originally Posted by includemeout View Post


Wouldn't that just pull warm air from inside the case through the radiator? With that setup what's pulling air into the case? Surely I'd have to flip my PSU orientation?

For what it's worth I haven't seen the CPU temp go above 42c now that I have the Seidon pump running on full.

 

includememout - you're correct based on my personal experience fresh air for the radiator is usually the best as you can also see from this great explanation from @WiSK

 

There are exceptions in particular with ranjeetsodhi's build since he is also using a dual GPU R9 295X2 which is dumping a lot of heat into the chassis. Of course that can also be remedied if he were to use a higher static fans with a good CFM flow of air with a push | pull configuration and the PSU as an exhaust. The second fan is blowing the flow of air over the other components in his chassis.  Hence the reason his setup is used as an exhaust in the front.

 

So it really is all relative based on your hardware configuration.

 

Source: Link

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiSK View Post


This is a popular fallacy amongst people who've never actually measured all the temperatures involved. Think it through: a fan cannot pick out just the hot air, and exhaust it leaving the cold air. It just moves air from one place to another.

Radiators always work better when they are getting fresh air, that is just simple physics. Therefore the components inside the case are running cooler and radiating less. And if you've ever measured* the delta of air in / air out from a radiator, then you'd know it's not an issue to blow warm air into the case.

If you've "measured" rad air by holding your hand over a radiator, remember that your skin is sensitive to any temperatures over 35C, and that skin even burns from 55C. Your hand will send "danger" signals to your brain, resulting in you having an emotional reaction to the "hot" radiator. The fallacy exists here I believe, because those temperatures are normal for rad exhaust air, and still significantly lower than safe operating temps for components like chipset, capacitors, even PSU, etc. So the danger is largely imagined. Then it gets posted on forums as advice or informed opinion or even as fact and so passes into common wisdom.

Why do I post this and how can I be sure? I was running a FT03-mini (same internal structure as SG05) with a single 120mm rad for two years with the "hot" air going through the case. My rig contained an overclocked 660ti (170W+ hotter than a 970) that was fully loaded 24/7 running folding@home. For sustained use, the fans set to intake and PSU flipped gave the lowest overall temps. Before that I had an SG05 with an H60 and a 560ti on air, where I found the PSU was best fan down.
 

Edited by hyp36rmax - 3/14/15 at 6:45pm
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post #685 of 912
Hi to everybody and thanks first of all for all the precious posts up to now.
For space saving reasons I finally resolved to buy a 130 Case: I've first of all bought a new mobs, and mainteined some old compactness (first of all the GPU) waiting for the newcomers in the market.
I will install:

- MOBO: Asus Z97I-Plus
- CPU: Intel I5-3570K 3.40 Ghz
- RAM: HyperX Savage Kit 2 x 4 GB, 1600MHz, DDR3, Non-ECC, CL9, DIMM, XMP
- GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD7970 Dual FX
- PSU: XFX PRO550W
- STORAGE: 2x Samsung 830 SSD 512 Gb - RAID 0
- COOLER: Cooler Master RL-S12V-24PK-R2 M WaKü Seidon V
- DEMCiflex Magnetic Filters Kit

I've understood that a cable clean installation is fundamental.
I have some questions:
- I am thinking on installing the SSDs, together on the drive bay. Is it the best solution or it's better to put them one on the bottom and the other on the side?
- Is it "safe" to remove the small 80mm Case Fan ?
- I've doubts about the PSU Fan. UP or Down ?
- Magnetic Filters, are they worth or they reduce the flow ?

Later I will upgrade CPU and GPU I think.
Any suggestion is welcome, and many thanks.
post #686 of 912
Quote:
Originally Posted by submaru View Post

Hi to everybody and thanks first of all for all the precious posts up to now.
For space saving reasons I finally resolved to buy a 130 Case: I've first of all bought a new mobs, and mainteined some old compactness (first of all the GPU) waiting for the newcomers in the market.
I will install:

- MOBO: Asus Z97I-Plus
- CPU: Intel I5-3570K 3.40 Ghz

- RAM: HyperX Savage Kit 2 x 4 GB, 1600MHz, DDR3, Non-ECC, CL9, DIMM, XMP
- GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD7970 Dual FX
- PSU: XFX PRO550W
- STORAGE: 2x Samsung 830 SSD 512 Gb - RAID 0
- COOLER: Cooler Master RL-S12V-24PK-R2 M WaKü Seidon V
- DEMCiflex Magnetic Filters Kit

I've understood that a cable clean installation is fundamental.
I have some questions:
- I am thinking on installing the SSDs, together on the drive bay. Is it the best solution or it's better to put them one on the bottom and the other on the side?
- Is it "safe" to remove the small 80mm Case Fan ?
- I've doubts about the PSU Fan. UP or Down ?
- Magnetic Filters, are they worth or they reduce the flow ?

Later I will upgrade CPU and GPU I think.
Any suggestion is welcome, and many thanks.

 

Welcome to the club!  For your MOBO and CPU: Did you mean ASUS Z97i-Plus and an i5 4690K? The i5 3570K is an IVY Bridge CPU and only compatible with the ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe. :thumb:

 

Yes cable management is crucial for a small chassis like this as it can make or break your build and allow for better airflow .  HDD placement is totally up to you and to your convenience on your build.  Yes it's safe to remove the 80mm fan.  In such a compact chassis I prefer to have the PSU fan on the bottom sucking air as an exhaust to create positive air pressure with the front as an intake with an additional fan on your Seidon 120V to assist in pushing the air through your chassis and components.  Although any filter will help in maintaining a cleaner chassis from dust, however keep in mind the front panel intake already has a filter, and yes it will impede air flow.

 

I look forward to your build!

 

Here are a couple examples how I oriented the wires for the I/O panel.  Feel free to take ideas :thumb:

 

 

 

Build Log: Link

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post #687 of 912
Un oh, I think "Houston we have a problem":
"Did you mean ASUS Z97i-Plus and an i5 4690K? The i5 3570K is an IVY Bridge CPU and only compatible with the ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe"

Yes I have an I5 3570K! Aren't the same socket? The board is already traveling to me ...
post #688 of 912
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Originally Posted by submaru View Post

Un oh, I think "Houston we have a problem":
"Did you mean ASUS Z97i-Plus and an i5 4690K? The i5 3570K is an IVY Bridge CPU and only compatible with the ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe"

Yes I have an I5 3570K! Aren't the same socket? The board is already traveling to me ...

 

SANDY Bridge LGA 1155: compatible with Z68 / Z77

IVY Bridge LGA 1155:  compatible with Z68 / Z77

HASWELL LGA 1150: compatible with Z87 / Z97

DEVILS CANYON LGA 1150: compatible with Z87 / Z97

 

The i5 3570K that you own is only compatible with Socket LGA 1155 Z68 and Z77 motherboards.  You may be able to return it to the retailer and source out a Z77 ITX motherboard such as an ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe, ASROCK Z77E-ITX.

 

Here are some options for you from PC Part Picker: Link

 

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Bitspower Single 5.25" bay Reservoir Alphacool XT45 180mm Radiator Alphacool UT60 120mm Radiator EK-FC VAPOR-X GPU Water-Block 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
EK-FC VAPOR-X GPU Water-Block Silverstone AP182 Air Penetrator 180mm Fan Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP29 Windows 10 PRO 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ASUS PB2874Q 4K  Cooler Master Quickfire XTi Seasonic SS-1200XPS3 1200 Watt Platinum Silverstone TJ08-E 
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post #689 of 912
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Originally Posted by hyp36rmax View Post

SANDY Bridge LGA 1155: compatible with Z68 / Z77
IVY Bridge LGA 1155:  compatible with Z68 / Z77
HASWELL LGA 1150: compatible with Z87 / Z97
DEVILS CANYON LGA 1150: compatible with Z87 / Z97

The i5 3570K that you own is only compatible with Socket LGA 1155 Z68 and Z77 motherboards.  You may be able to return it to the retailer and source out a Z77 ITX motherboard such as an ASUS P8Z77-I Deluxe, ASROCK Z77E-ITX.

Here are some options for you from PC Part Picker: Link



Thanks for the solutions!
I really needed the Asus Z97I-Plus for the S/PDIF output (i need the optical cable to connect to a wireless Headphone station), so finally I resolved to order an I5 4690K mad.gif ; sure it wasn't in the considered budget, and the gained performance is quite nothing, but I hope to sell well the old processor.
As soon as everything arrives I will start the building.
So finally, the configuration I am building is:

- MOBO: Asus Z97I-Plus
- CPU: Intel I5-4690K
- RAM: HyperX Savage Kit 2 x 4 GB, 1600MHz, DDR3, Non-ECC, CL9, DIMM, XMP
- GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD7970 Dual FX
- PSU: XFX PRO550W
- STORAGE: 2x Samsung 830 SSD 512 Gb - RAID 0
- COOLER: Cooler Master RL-S12V-24PK-R2 M WaKü Seidon V
- DEMCiflex Magnetic Filters Kit
post #690 of 912
Here's my 130 build "Night Fury" I did a few months ago. All custom braided cables and a stealthy black color scheme since it's an htpc.

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