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Reference card overclocking battle: R9 290 vs R9 290X vs GTX 780

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The GK110 vs Hawaii Bench-off thread has been lacking results that are run by the same person and in the same setup as well as actual game benchmarks in general. Since I ended up owning both an unlockable R9 290 and a reference GTX 780 more or less at the same time, I decided to make something out of it. I tried to get hold of as many even remotely relevant benchmarks that I could. The limiting factors were these: I didn't want to purchase anything new, I didn't have an optical drive in my test rig, I was only interested in ready-to-run benchmarks and I tried to avoid known CPU limited benchmarks. Excluded were Arkham series Batmans (have these on DVD), Crysis (the benchmark tool didn't work right), Crysis 2 (on DVD), GTA IV + Episodes (known CPU bottleneck and known to be bad for AMD), ARMA II (tried it, CPU limited to the extent of equal results with each GPU), Valley (thoroughly tested elsewhere and favours Nvidia) and 3DMark11 (tested elsewhere, somewhat CPU bound). What I ended up with are these:

Benchmarks:

Heaven Benchmark (standalone benchmark)
Sleeping Dogs (built-in benchmark)
Sniper Elite V2 (standalone)
Metro 2033 (built-in)
3DMark Fire Strike (standalone)
Hitman Absolution (built-in)
Alien vs Predator (standalone)
STALKER: Call of Pripyat (standalone)
Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (standalone)
Mafia 2 (built-in)
Just Cause 2 (built-in)
Resident Evil 6 (standalone)
Passion Leads Army a.k.a PLA (standalone)

Test setup:

Club3D R9 290 (stock BIOS and Asus 290X BIOS with 2816 shaders reported by GPU-Z)
MSI Geforce GTX 780 (reference model)
Asus P9X79
i7-4820k @4.6GHz
16GB DDR3 2133MHz
Rosewill Armor Evo (3x140mm & 1x230mm fans)
Ambient temp ~19C
1920x1080 resolution

Win 8.1 Pro Preview (for a clean benchmarking installation)
Catalyst 13.12 WHQL
GeForce 331.82 WHQL
Afterburner 3.0.0 beta 17

GPU clocks

290&290X:
Stock voltage
Core clock: 1090MHz
Memory clock: 1300MHz

GTX 780:
Voltage +13mV (1.175V actual)
Core clock: 1176MHz (actual)
Memory clock: 1725MHz


Notes:

These are the confirmed stable 24/7 core clocks my cards would run. The preliminary‎ stability testing was done by playing 1-2 hour sessions of Far Cry 3 and Sleeping Dogs.

For 290/290X Sleeping Dogs turned out to be the ultimate stability test: any clocks that could handle it would handle any other benchmark. 1100MHz was stable as in never crashed, but it was temp sensitive: going above 70 degrees I started to get random artifacts and I wasn't willing to ramp the fan up far enough to counter that. The same is true with both BIOSes, the stock 290 BIOS just takes a tiny bit longer to get to those temps. For the memory clocks, I didn't try anything beyond 1300MHz. My personal limiting factor when overclocking the reference Hawaii card was noise: the first thing I did was finding a fan setting that I could tolerate. That turned out ot be exactly 55% (same as 290X uber setting) which for my card meant 2950-2990 RPM. Not pleasant since the fan has a whining sound signature, but borderline tolerable even on silent parts of gaming with headphones on. The max temperatures can be seen in the monitoring data in the screen captures (mouseover at the highest temp).

For GTX 780 the preliminary testing turned out insufficient. 1189MHz core was very stable in both Sleeping Dogs and FC3 but once it was time to bench Final Fantasy XIV, I got a driver crash combined with fatal DX error and an unresponsive system. Twice in a row. Within two minutes. I dropped the core to 1176MHz and it looped without any further drama for half an hour. If someone wants to give their Kepler OC a good whooping, FFXIV seems like a nice no-cost test. For memory, I aimed for a 15% overclock that would take the memory bandwidth to the same level as I had with the 290/X. As it turns out, my 780 made it with no problems on either stability or performance. Again, I left it there and didn't venture any further. The main OC limiting factor with the 780 was the max power limit of 106%. I could have run most of the benchmarks with more voltage (1.2V) and thus higher stable clocks, but they would've only been stable in the sense of not crashing. Especially longer Sleeping Dogs sessions would throttle the clocks for hitting the power limit. I did get power limit hits even with 1176MHz@1.175V but they were of the "soft" kind that didn't throttle my clocks (can be seen in screen captures, I left the mouse cursor over the highest power limit reading). I used a fixed fan speed of 70% which equals to about the same RPM as with the Radeon (2930-3000 RPM). Special note: this is not equal in noise! The 780 fan is much, much quieter at 3000RPM. There was just absolutely no need for higher fan speeds as the temps remained below 70 degrees through all the tests (and gaming for that matter).

All cards were tested on fresh driver install after a complete driver removal with DDU 9.9.

All available graphics settings were maxed out except for Sniper Elite V2 which was run at stock settings. The driver settings were all in their stock settings.

There are a few benchmark results in the screen captures that are not included in the comparison. 3DMark was run for all the tests but I consider the Ice Storm and Cloud Gate to be irrelevant. The only STALKER: Call of Pripyat benchmark that I included is the sun shafts, which is the most demanding one. It was also the only one that I could get to run full screen from the very beginning, the benchmark tool is buggy in that way.

Finally, I'm not composing the result in charts for a reason. With the modern GPUs and their power balancing tech, it is -in my opinion- crucial to see the actual runtime clocks to get the whole big picture of the performance. This is why I've decided to show you each result with the monitoring data attached to it.

Enough notes yet? Let's get to the point then.


Results:


Heaven Benchmark

R9 290: 53.6 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 55.0 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 61.1 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Sleeping Dogs

R9 290: 70.1 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 72.6 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 72.8 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Sniper Elite V2 benchmark

R9 290: 68.2 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 71.3 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 85.3 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Metro 2033

R9 290: 53.98 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 54.66 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 53.24 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


3DMark Fire Strike Graphics Score

R9 290: 11338 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 11645 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 11275 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Hitman Absolution

R9 290: 56.62 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 57.55 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 53.95 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Alien vs Predator

R9 290: 102.1 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 106.1 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 101.0 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


STALKER: Call of Pripyat Sun Shafts benchmark

R9 290: 76 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 80 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 95.0 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Benchmark score

R9 290: 14518 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 14752 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 15976 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Mafia 2 Benchmark (sorry about the notepad result presentation, alt-tabbing didn't work here so couldn't get the actual result screen in there)

R9 290: 135.5 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 139.3 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 138.4 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Just Cause 2 Concrete Jungle benchmark

R9 290: 107.49 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 108.87 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 87.88 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Resident Evil 6 benchmark score

290: 14160 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 14673 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 15848 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Passion Leads Army benchmark

R9 290: 105.8 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

R9 290X: 105.6 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

GTX 780: 143.0 fps Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Conclusion:

I'm actually not going to make the final conclusion just yet. I haven't gone through the results as closely as I would have liked to, the second round of testing with the 780 took its toll on my available time. I'm just going to say that based on the numbers I posted, the average performance results go like this: 290 as a base line (100%), the 290X scores +2.7% and the GTX 780 +7.8%.

If someone actually has the time to look at the results and spots errors or irregularities, please let me know. I would like to have the data as solid as possible. What I can say is that Passion Leads Army has a rather big impact on the overall score. AMD drivers clearly aren't optimized for it, since it's the only benchmark where there's no difference between 290 and 290X. If I exclude PLA, the average performance difference from 290 is +2.9% for the 290X and +5.5% for the 780.

I will say this: the 290 is no longer mine. Not because of the performance as much as because of the noise. Also, I watched through all the benchmarks in effort to see the smoothness factor in action. There was absolutely no difference there for the naked (but rather sensitive) eye. Where there was a difference, however, was with the preliminary testing with Far Cry 3. I have come to understand that FC3 has been suffering from serious stuttering with various AMD setups all along, which was why I was surprised to see [H]ardOCP saying that they've had a better gaming experience with 290X CF than with Titan SLI. Now I know that the testing scenarios are very different (single card vs CF/SLI, single display vs multi monitor etc.) but I must say that to me, the difference was very obvious but in the different direction. My 290(X) had a very distinctive pause-like stutter every couple of seconds and general lag in some areas, whereas my 780 is practically free of stuttering. This was the one outlier on smoothness that I came across.
Edited by specopsFI - 12/21/13 at 4:11am
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What are the core clocks like when playing games, as I would bet the 290/290x drop a lot lower then the 780 ever does....
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What are the core clocks like when playing games, as I would bet the 290/290x drop a lot lower then the 780 ever does....

When playing with 290(X), I used CCC to max the power limit. The absolute max temp I ever got it to with 55% fan was 86 degrees. Combined those facts mean no throttling, none. Solid 1090/1300.

To make a general point on the power limit throttling: for benching, I only used Afterburner. AB's power limit slider seems to be broken, so the power limit was at 0%. There is the slightest hint of throttling but only a couple of MHz every now and then. The monitoring graphs show the actual clock speeds for each test.
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seeing how close these cards are and based on current prices, i believe that the 780 is the best bang for the buck atm. +rep.

btw, try the new Trixx. it allowed me to oc my 290 to 1150/1500 without voltage or PL adjustments. i also was able to bench it to 1280/1500.

edit: here is my Heaven score at 1175/1500 using Trixx (stock clocks) . . .


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seeing how close these cards are and based on current prices, i believe that the 780 is the best bang for the buck atm. +rep.

btw, try the new Trixx. it allowed me to oc my 290 to 1150/1500 without voltage or PL adjustments. i also was able to bench it to 1280/1500.

edit: here is my Heaven score at 1175/1500 using Trixx (stock clocks) . . .


Well I don't have a 290 anymore, so can't really do that. But I must say, I'm doubtful that software would have made any difference to me. It was clearly the temp limit of my silicon at 1090. Pushing the fan up, I could do a clean Heaven run at 1130MHz core and with voltage, the best I got was this:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

If it only were able to keep itself cool and quiet... Beast of a chip.
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When playing with 290(X), I used CCC to max the power limit. The absolute max temp I ever got it to with 55% fan was 86 degrees. Combined those facts mean no throttling, none. Solid 1090/1300.

To make a general point on the power limit throttling: for benching, I only used Afterburner. AB's power limit slider seems to be broken, so the power limit was at 0%. There is the slightest hint of throttling but only a couple of MHz every now and then. The monitoring graphs show the actual clock speeds for each test.

Now if only that gtx780 could get 900khash tongue.gif

Yeah for a pure gaming card ATM I would probably go gtx780 myself.

But will probably get a 290 myself when they go back to $400 + a block. Great gaming performance when I want to game, great mining performance to keep room warm and make monies.

Can't stand the stock 290/290x coolers though, too loud!
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Now if only that gtx780 could get 900khash tongue.gif

Yeah for a pure gaming card ATM I would probably go gtx780 myself.

But will probably get a 290 myself when they go back to $400 + a block. Great gaming performance when I want to game, great mining performance to keep room warm and make monies.

Can't stand the stock 290/290x coolers though, too loud!

Well now I have my beastly 7790 delivering that part. Though it can't quite get 900k, at least it's practically silent tongue.gif
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Well I don't have a 290 anymore, so can't really do that. But I must say, I'm doubtful that software would have made any difference to me. It was clearly the temp limit of my silicon at 1090. Pushing the fan up, I could do a clean Heaven run at 1130MHz core and with voltage, the best I got was this:
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If it only were able to keep itself cool and quiet... Beast of a chip.

i never oc'ed when my 290 was at stock cooler and heard it spun playing BF4 but even now with a block i still play at stock. it could be silicon really and immature driver and tools such as AB. Trixx is more stable. anyway, here is 3DMark @ 1175/1500 again stock volts . . .




it seems ice and cloud rely more on the cpu and its oc.
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You obviously didn't know how to OC your 290 properly. First of all you used overdrive...lawd have mercy.
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Intel i7-4770k @ 4.3Ghz 24/7 Asus z87-Plus PC r9 290 @ 1175/1500 24/7 G Skill Sniper 8GB 2133 
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Window 8.1 Update 2x Asus VG248QE 144hz Mechanical Keyboard MX Red Steelseries Kana 
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Steelseries Mouse pad Samson SR850 Headphones/Asus Xonar Sound card 
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