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none that i can think of really.....
I just wanted more contrast for the great opinion I got. Needed to know if more then one person thinks the same. Oh well. Its just me being paranoid. Thanks for input guys.
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60c under avx1 linpack (ibt and occt) is freezing. If you want a quite good stability test and more realistic temps, you can check out x264 (more info in haswell overclocking thread how to use it if you don't use it already) but there's not much to do with them @ stock (4670) as cpu's are guaranteed to be stable @ stock speeds and your temperatures are awesome with a h100i at such a tiny voltage (like you won't ever see 60c.. which is freezing)

You can't look at a temp that one core reached near idle (when it was loaded some) and compare it to another idle core and say there's a temp difference, you need to compare current/minimum idles (with very very little cpu load) or full load temps; you don't seem to have any issue with either

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post #23 of 32
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I dont need any complex test. Since as you said - stability is guaranteed with stock speeds and stock voltage (although my previous cpu i7 860 wasnt stable at stock) I just wanna know if thats okay and I know that. I needed second opinions.

Also Id like to know how hotter are haswells (locked ones) compared to other and I assume it is normal.

Anyways Im a temp freak, always paranoid.

Since all is fine the topic can be closed, but im open for screens of real temp of all your cpus for comparisment - just want to know how different cpu and temps are, I would like to see it.


A friend of mine claimed to have 21'ish temps with Noctua NH-14 with i5 2500k and my cpu is idling around 30-33 at desktop while im broswing the internet or doing nothing and I thought to myself that is impossible unless he lives on north pole.
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Also Id like to know how hotter are haswells (locked ones) compared to other and I assume it is normal.

AVX linpack puts a really heavy power load on the CPU's, significantly more than a game or video encoder loading the CPU to 100% would, so your temps encoding would be like in the 40's-50's avg, which is not even warm at all and expected at that kinda voltage with that cooling

CPU temp sensors are set up to be most accurate at ~100c (to prevent damage) and not as accurate for idle temps, as for idle; at 800mhz and some tiny vcore, there's very little power going into the CPU's. It's typical for idle temp to be like ~5-15c above room temp, you don't really get less unless you have special circumstances (a custom loop water block mounted on delidded cpu etc)
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post #25 of 32
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I got high performance power scheme so turbo even kicks in.

BTW I had weird issue before, after assembling my comp at first when I tried to launch windows with turbo It gave me BSOD code 125, so for the most time I had everything without turbo hitting barely 30. I decided to give it one more try and there were no issues anymore. I did benchmarks and stuff and it was a little bonus in performance.


Let me ask something different since the temperature topic is getting borring.

There is a beta BIOS update at ASRock and the changelog says: "Improve i5, i7 non-K CPU performance."
Im tempted... Is it worth going for? Most advices say that if everything is fine then DO NOT UPDATE BIOS, but extra performance? On NON-K CPU ? Id hit that. What do you say ?
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post #26 of 32
I dunno how they could do that in a bios update
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I got high performance power scheme so turbo even kicks in.

You should use Balanced on Haswell, the idle is extremely low power and it can switch voltage/frequency extremely quickly so balanced plan with tweaks on stuff like shutdown timers if you want for 800mhz idle, full speed under any load, and IMO, core parking disabled

It helps to use like 5w idle instead of a ton at full frequency and volts
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post #27 of 32
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Core parking? Whats that?
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post #28 of 32
A power saving feature that's pretty pointless on a desktop haswell CPU that turns off cores, or more commonly just disables hyperthreaded threads, but can be slow or stubborn in turning them back on again and realistically hurt performance or be annoying sometimes, easy to disable with a quick google
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post #29 of 32
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Checked in BIOS. Got no such thing as core parking. Maybe because i5 is without hyperthreading. I will chekc out balanced power scheme, but there is no major drop in temps as I see, maybe 2 degrees and what other advantages? 800 mhz I can see, but aint it bad? Its not better to work 3.8ghz with turbo all the time?
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post #30 of 32
It's a windows function, it's not in the bios.

Balanced power scheme is basically "idle when possible, snap cpu to whatever speed is needed ASAP" and done well enough on haswell to be for practical purposes invisible, there's little reason to keep CPU at max clock speed 24/7, especially considering that whenever you are not at system, whenever you are reading a website/forum, watching a video, in a skype call, whatever, CPU will just sit at ~800mhz, the vast majority of PC tasks don't need a haswell quad core at full power, if i use system for 10 hours straight it's usually in idle states for like 7 of those.

Avoid the power saver setting though, that one tries to keep clocks low and responds to load slowly on purpose, which creates a ton of performance problems - balanced is pretty much invisible though. Someone could set it and you'd game/benchmark/whatever for weeks without otherwise noticing if you were not monitoring clock speeds, temps, vcore etc. It doesn't matter as much for stock but it's awesome for an OC (as cpu won't be hit with higher voltage 24/7)
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