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I still don't understand this multiplier stuff. Is there any full length tutorial on OCing Conroe? I know there's one by the retired MOD. but its about P4 and not Conroe.
Um.

Multi x FSB = CPU Speed.
Higher multi = less FSB needed for a higher clock.
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I still don't understand this multiplier stuff. Is there any full length tutorial on OCing Conroe? I know there's one by the retired MOD. but its about P4 and not Conroe.
It's all the same. FSB x Multi = core speed. Goes for AMD, intel, P4, C2D, etc.
post #53 of 61
So you'd rather increase your multiplier than increase you FSB?
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So you'd rather increase your multiplier than increase you FSB?
No.

If you can get the same OC, one with 8x multi with ___ FSB, and the other with a 7x multi with a higher FSB, go for the 7x. But my E6300 can do 3.6Ghz, but few boards can get to 515FSB stable. (Most 450-480). Higher multi make your OC less FSB dependent - hence why E6600s and such can tap 4Ghz - it doesn't need 570+ FSB.

(965 and 975 chipsets have NB strap latencies which can effect FSB, so, 425FSB would likely out perform 435 FSB, since like RAM timings, looser timings can help get a higher FSB - but risk performance.)

If you still need help, feel free to PM me (or anyone else.) Just don't want to hijack this guys thread.
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Yea sorry. I actually frequently hijack threads by accident. Thanks for your help.
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400MHz is the sweet spot for the 965 chipset. 401- about 475 apparently gives you lower performance because of the straps that kick in. Therefore, i think that the DS3 or the Biostar 965 board would be good; they both can easily hit 400MHz anyway. If you don't need RAID, you can save some $ on the Biostar. I've heard about lots of various problems with the DS3, though (RAM incompatabilities, IDE not operating with RAID, stuff like that).
If you look into this more, there is a small overlap due to this "strap" or multiplier change in the northbridge clock... At 400 MHz the strap changes and performance drops, but its easier to get the northbridge stable. But by 410MHz, performance is back to where it was at 400MHz, so its not a big deal.
     
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post #57 of 61
So which is preferred?

A higher multi X lower FSB = 3ghz
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A lower multi X higher FSB = 3ghz

Wouldn't a higher multi be preferable, since it doesn't strain the FSB as much?
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post #58 of 61
That's one way to look at it, but if a mobo can handle the higher FSB, you'll actually have better performance (faster transfer of data CPU/RAM, CPU/NB, etc).

Do make sure, however, you keep your PCI-E / PCI / SATA frequencies locked.
    
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hey sladesurfer, how much for your e6400?
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I wanted to chime in again to say that the Biostar board is known to hit higher FSB than the Gigabyte boards. However, gigabyte have released a new BIOS that some reviewers (anandtech?) were able to get 500FSB on.

My experience let me raise FSB by 5. (465-->470)... I left it at 465.

The main thing is you NEED good ram. There is no way you're going to hit that speed with bad DDR2-800, much less bad DDR2-667.

If you don't have the cash for today's ram prices, wait for the 4300, and get some average PC-6400 (DDR2-800). That will do @ 1:1 --> 400x9= 3.6GHz, provided the components that make up the rest of the system are up to the task (PSU, cooling, etc.)

I'd get the E4300 or E6400, coupled with the S3 if the TForce is unavailable in your area.
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