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post #331 of 1638
I want nothing more than for the 5930k to be 8 cores, but every recent roadmap and chart show it at 6 cores.

Intel is not a generous company. Think about it. Why would anyone pay $1k for an 8core when they can get one for $600? From Intel's perspective it'd be shooting themselves in the foot. If 2 8core skus came out the extreme model would not be unique and wouldn't sell at all.

By making only one 8core,this forces people to the extreme SKU which has bigger profit margins.


This is how Intel plays ball.
post #332 of 1638
Why has anyone bought a 3960X / 3970X / 4960X then?

Intel knows that the extreme editions are extremely low volume parts. Even when they had no new platform to sell they released another 6-core SKU some months after the i7 980X.

Then when it came to having to release a new platform with X79 intel came out with two 6-core SKUs.

And now with X99 they have a new platform to sell again.

Also lisa graff is on record saying this:
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I spoke briefly with Graff at CES about her plans, and she observed that high-end desktop processor sales had been fairly flat in recent years—but when she looked at the performance numbers, the reason was clear. Intel hasn't given enthusiasts much of a reason to upgrade since Sandy Bridge. The performance gains in Ivy Bridge and Haswell have been modest, and we've not seen core counts, cache sizes, or feature sets change dramatically, either.

Graff has adjusted Intel's silicon roadmap in order to address that problem, and today, she revealed some key aspects of Intel's desktop product plans for 2014.
http://techreport.com/review/26189/intel-to-renew-commitment-to-desktop-pcs-with-a-slew-of-new-cpus

X99 will gain next to no users if only the X-SKU is an 8-core.
 
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post #333 of 1638
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X99 will gain next to no users if only the X-SKU is an 8-core.

Well, some people don't have to pay for their stuff, so they go for $1000 CPUs.

Eg: My friend got a 3960X over a 3930K because his uncle was paying for it. His uncle also paid for his maxed out Mac Pro.
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post #334 of 1638
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I want nothing more than for the 5930k to be 8 cores, but every recent roadmap and chart show it at 6 cores.

Intel is not a generous company. Think about it. Why would anyone pay $1k for an 8core when they can get one for $600? From Intel's perspective it'd be shooting themselves in the foot. If 2 8core skus came out the extreme model would not be unique and wouldn't sell at all.

By making only one 8core,this forces people to the extreme SKU which has bigger profit margins.


This is how Intel plays ball.

It doesn't follow their pattern, and the same could be said about their last few generations. They charged $1K for the 6-core 4960X but $550-600 for the 6-core 4930K. The only thing advantage the 4960X has is an extra 3MB of cache and a slightly higher stock clock. 3MB of extra cache is definitely nice, but not worth the extra $400. To most people it's just an e-peen factor. It will be the same thing for Haswell-E.

They always have 3 models in the extreme tier. The lowest with the same number of cores as the i7 "Performance" processors, and the other two with 2 extra cores.

Now, it will be a little different this time because the 4770K is not a 6 core, but I still dont see their extreme tier going 4-6-8 or 6-6-8.

But I was just thinking yesterday, I really wish they would offer a model or two in between the Performance and Extreme tiers that has hyper-threading disabled. I want a CPU with 8 full, real cores. Not AMD's 4 module excuse, and not an an intel quad core with HT. I just want 8 actual cores, and that's it. I don't want to pay for 16 threads because I simply dont need it and would rather save the money. An i7 with 8C/8T for around $450-500 would be perfect.
post #335 of 1638
I think Al's just hung up on wishful thinking here. I too can't imagine why Intel would offer an 8-core K chip that would cannibalize their X chip? I hope I'm wrong though...
post #336 of 1638
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I think Al's just hung up on wishful thinking here. I too can't imagine why Intel would offer an 8-core K chip that would cannibalize their X chip? I hope I'm wrong though...

Again, why have they offered 6-core K chips against their 6-core X chips the last several generations?
post #337 of 1638
Alatar knows what he's saying, it's going to be 6-8-8, probability says yes.


Just don't expect the sweet $600 8-core to sell at $600.


Demand will be high and supply is easily controlled so expect to pay more like $800 the few months, not the MSRP.


5820 6-core suffix-K $350-$400
5930 8-core suffix-K $800 (first few months)
5960 8-core suffix-X $1000


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What has the historical difference been between a K and an X of the same core count?
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What has the historical difference been between a K and an X of the same core count?
Higher binned chips and more L2 cache.
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post #340 of 1638
No way ever 6 core will be sub 400 USD part. Nope, I refuse to even believe this. This makes amd entirely irrevelant. 4 core sub 350, 6 core 550 and 8 core for 1k. This is how its going to play out.
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