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Micro center had i5-4670k for less then that, and they beat the 8350 so you were saying what????

i5-4670K wasn't out yet when I bought my FX-8350. At the time I purchased, Micro Center gave a choice between the FX-8350 at $169 and an i5-3570K for $40 more ($209).
At the same price I might have chosen differently, but I'm happy that I saved the $40.
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"You enjoy paying for stuff you don't need. I like seeing my figures in the bank." You do realize both of these things are roughly the same right? Earlier in my career I played the "how large can my portfolio get" game, it turns out spending it is much more fun.

Agree, so I spend where it is needed.

Photoshop, game programming, android application programming web development and other stuff I do works excellent on my machine.
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i5-4670K wasn't out yet when I bought my FX-8350. At the time I purchased, Micro Center gave a choice between the FX-8350 at $169 and an i5-3570K for $40 more ($209).
At the same price I might have chosen differently, but I'm happy that I saved the $40.

If only they had there sales for shipping. Then we all be happy. 8)
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So...maybe this is a dumb question. Will the 5930k have better single-threaded performance than a 4770k at similar clock speeds? Obviously it's overkill, but one of the games I play is World of Warcraft which benefits most from increased single-threaded performance vice actually using the extra threads.
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So...maybe this is a dumb question. Will the 5930k have better single-threaded performance than a 4770k at similar clock speeds? Obviously it's overkill, but one of the games I play is World of Warcraft which benefits most from increased single-threaded performance vice actually using the extra threads.

WoW is everything but multi threaded. Buying an 8 core CPU, whether Intel or AMD to play WoW on really is the opposite of smart but if it makes you feel better to do so please go ahead but you won't notice a difference either way. As for IPC, even if there is a difference it will be 5% at most, considering that's been the norm going from Bloomfield to SB to IB and now Haswell. In some cases there has been absolutely no performance increase whatsoever.
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i5-4670K wasn't out yet when I bought my FX-8350. At the time I purchased, Micro Center gave a choice between the FX-8350 at $169 and an i5-3570K for $40 more ($209).
At the same price I might have chosen differently, but I'm happy that I saved the $40.

Here the price difference between the 4670 and 8350 isn't 40 USD, it's 70 to 80USD, which is enough to buy an SSD for my laptop so no way am I going to get an equivalent Intel CPU.
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The cores are still exactly the same performance wise.

However you will get some benefit from the extra cache and quad channel memory.
 
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I think that a lot of high-end gamers eagerly awaiting the arrival of the "5930K" 8-core will probably find their CPU in the $600-$700 range, but they're going to be sorely disappointed when they find out what the base clocks for such a chip are.

Consider the closest Xeon equivalent that we have, the E5-2687W v2 Ivy Bridge-EP. 3.4ghz base clock (4.0ghz max turbo), 150w, around $2,200.

Haswell-E is a new architecture, but it will still be on 22nm. So thermally, no miracles are going to happen.

Then consider that Haswell-E will most likely stay at 130w, not 150w like the Xeon.

Then consider that the highest-binned chips will be reserved for the 'X' variant, and quite possibly for the future Haswell-EP Xeons as well.

Where does that leave us? Probably with a "5930K" with a base clock around 3.0 ghz and a max boost of 3.6 ghz.

I think it's going to be a challenge to OC such a chip beyond 4.0 ghz using all 8 cores.

Thoughts?
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WoW is everything but multi threaded. Buying an 8 core CPU, whether Intel or AMD to play WoW on really is the opposite of smart but if it makes you feel better to do so please go ahead but you won't notice a difference either way. As for IPC, even if there is a difference it will be 5% at most, considering that's been the norm going from Bloomfield to SB to IB and now Haswell. In some cases there has been absolutely no performance increase whatsoever.

I believe you misunderstood me, but it's absolutely my fault. As soon as i posted i realized it seems like i'd consider upgrading just for better performance in WoW. I'm thinking about Haswell-E for many other reasons, such as the extra cache and 4-channel memory (as Alatar mentioned, thanks!), but also so that i can try out DDR4 when I see the prices and they "settle" a bit. Also I believe the Haswell-E/99 platform has more PCI lanes, which has a slight benefit to running cards in SLI I believe? Ideally, I'd upgrade my already "dream" build from a Caselabs S3 4770k 780ti to a Caselabs S5 5930k 2x Gtx 790 and be set for an extremely long time.

All of those reasons, along with "if it makes you feel better to do so please go ahead" are why Haswell-E looks enticing. I just wondered if one of the many games I play would have a marginal benefit as well, even if it was just 5%

Thank you for the informative reply though. IF I hadn't already known how foolhardy that upgrade would be for WoW-related purposes only, you could have saved me a lot of money, and that's what is great about the helpful members of OCN: spreading knowledge.
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Thoughts?

140W TDP has already been confirmed due to the leaked slides.

I doubt many of us here care about base clocks. My 3930K has a base clock of 3.2GHz. Didn't stop it from going well over 5GHz. And there has never really been much (if any) difference between X and K OCing potential.

I promise you that unless something catastrophic happens with Haswell-E people will have well over 4.5GHz on the day the chips go on sale.
 
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From my understanding the X99 platform only supports DDR4, and not DDR3. Is this correct?
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