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lol I jumped from Core 2 duo to 2500K, next one will be something after skylake/skymont .

If Intel is putting the 5830K as 6 core variant ~$350-400, I could see Intel pushing i7 skylake socket 115x as a highly clocked quad core or 6 core. I seems to think they gonna go for the former.

Crazily, c2d is still viable in the form of the xeon x5492 /w 771 to 775 adapter, it's like a 3570k. They overclock to 4.5ghz and the 2x 12mb l2 has them doing better than a standard c2d. They just don't have the new instructions that aren't used for most things and the real drawback of having twice the power consumption, offset from being able to get the chip for $100 and adapter for $5, but if I were to go that cheap now, I'd hold out for the upcoming unlocked broadwell pentiums.
post #482 of 1638
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talking about high maintenance hobbies...
DDR4 and stupid socket changes are a joke by comparison. biggrin.gif

Oh, and since the conversation derailed, I think I would rather go for that 6D/used 24-70L mk.I upgrade this year...my 50D is much older than my 3930K..I will miss my 17-55 2.8 IS tho...

The conversation didn't derail, it just became increasingly emphasized. The overall cost of our wonderful passions.

And if you can integrate any one of these passions into your work then a step far forward has been taken.

We are just deciding if the upgrade into Haswell-E and DDR4 is the correct path, that's all.

Peace and Love bro. biggrin.gif
    
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post #483 of 1638
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We are just deciding if the upgrade into Haswell-E and DDR4 is the correct path, that's all.

I want to say yes, but I need to see some prices and benchmarks first. biggrin.gif
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post #484 of 1638
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They just don't have the new instructions that aren't used for most things

avx and avx2 make a significant difference in x264 encoding speed. I keep having to tell people to download windows 7 service pack 1 to enable avx on their 2'nd/3'rd/4'th gen core or bulldozer/piledriver/steamroller cpu's wheee.gif

anyone who's video encoding at all (or streaming games, for example, as that's basically entirely x264 video encoding CPU load) gets decent boost from this stuff - it's not too widely utilized though
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We are just deciding if the upgrade into Haswell-E and DDR4 is the correct path, that's all.

Correct path? Well, I don't know whether DDR4 is a path you can opt out of for Haswell-E...I believe in a year from now, mainstream platforms will also start switching.
So the question is DDR4 for 2014, early 2015, or later.

If you really want Haswell-E, you are pretty much obliged afaik in DDR4, regardless of it giving probably zero performance advantages in real life applications.
Similarly ofcourse, the people that really need 8 cores over 6 or 4 are very very limited. It is mostly e-peen.

I do CG renderings etc on the side and love the speed boost of the 6-core, I would definitely see even better results with an 8, but at this particular point, I doubt the performance jump will justify the cost - unless ofc DDR4 launches @ really cheap prices, and I might switch my X79/3930K/DDR3 kit to the "new" s2011-3/DDR4 and w/e octa with a $300 or so penalty...that, I would consider thumb.gif

You see, it being my personal PC, it rarely happens I have to render something that would make the difference meaningful to justify the expense. I do that sh@t every morning @ work, its tires you out!
Yes, you can say theoretical gains here and there add up, but for something that will happen once a month or once a week even, saving 3-4 hours...well, doesn't worth it for me.
And ofc for gaming (what I end up doing and keeps me away from DCC work) there is no real advantage over a clocked 3770K/4770K.
Gaining a handful of fps over an already blazingly fast system is not perceivable in real life.

So, there is no "correct" path...it is just weighing wants vs. pocket really.
Do I want the new 8-core? Sure. Much like my fancy FF camera along with a couple of pro lenses with it, to take pictures of my 4-wheel-wants (I am happy with my better-half, will keep her). But I simply cannot justify it. It is completely subjective tho, cannot classify it as "correct". In fact, all the "wrong" choices for a prudent "man of the house" are many of my wants tongue.gif
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A pheonom x6 beats an 8320 in cineibench at same overclock. THATS SAD>

Amd CPU's have not advanced in 5 years.

I've had 4 Phenom IIs (2x x3 720s, 1x 550 that unlocked to a full quad, 1x 965) and only one FX (FX-4170) and I can tell you that core for core, FX is overall faster than Phenom II. It outclocks it enough to make up for the IPC loss generally. There wasn't really a difference in gaming bar the CPU bottlenecked games (Even then, it was relatively minor) but the BD chip was noticeably faster elsewhere.
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Why do people still refer to the FX8350 as an 8 core cpu? It drives me nuts.

Because it has 8 cores? If you're going to use that whole debunked FPU argument, don't even bother...By that logic the 8086, 80186, 286 and 386 (Along with some models of 486) didn't have a core at all, plus the 4x 256bit FPUs can effectively split into 8x128bit FPUs.
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You enjoy paying for stuff you don't need.

You know what they say about assumptions, eh?
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post #487 of 1638
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Correct path? Well, I don't know whether DDR4 is a path you can opt out of for Haswell-E...I believe in a year from now, mainstream platforms will also start switching.
So the question is DDR4 for 2014, early 2015, or later.

If you really want Haswell-E, you are pretty much obliged afaik in DDR4, regardless of it giving probably zero performance advantages in real life applications.
Similarly ofcourse, the people that really need 8 cores over 6 or 4 are very very limited. It is mostly e-peen.

I do CG renderings etc on the side and love the speed boost of the 6-core, I would definitely see even better results with an 8, but at this particular point, I doubt the performance jump will justify the cost - unless ofc DDR4 launches @ really cheap prices, and I might switch my X79/3930K/DDR3 kit to the "new" s2011-3/DDR4 and w/e octa with a $300 or so penalty...that, I would consider thumb.gif

You see, it being my personal PC, it rarely happens I have to render something that would make the difference meaningful to justify the expense. I do that sh@t every morning @ work, its tires you out!
Yes, you can say theoretical gains here and there add up, but for something that will happen once a month or once a week even, saving 3-4 hours...well, doesn't worth it for me.
And ofc for gaming (what I end up doing and keeps me away from DCC work) there is no real advantage over a clocked 3770K/4770K.
Gaining a handful of fps over an already blazingly fast system is not perceivable in real life.

So, there is no "correct" path...it is just weighing wants vs. pocket really.
Do I want the new 8-core? Sure. Much like my fancy FF camera along with a couple of pro lenses with it, to take pictures of my 4-wheel-wants (I am happy with my better-half, will keep her). But I simply cannot justify it. It is completely subjective tho, cannot classify it as "correct". In fact, all the "wrong" choices for a prudent "man of the house" are many of my wants tongue.gif


What makes me wonder, is why so few people consider future workloads, rather than current workloads. Sure, you might not need the power of 8 cores in gaming currently, but what about one or two years down the line, when titles like Star Citizen are out and frying your CPU?

Of course, some people might upgrade every year or so, but I tend to look at building a new system as an investment that will last me ~3 years. Looking at the microarchitecture pages on wikipedia, it seems Broadwell is going to be the last to use 1150, so that puts me off wanting to use that.
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well this is more like you need x99 only if you are like me and still on 775 q9550 here speaking smile.gif or you run SLI or CF
i mean i am running a single 780 on a q9550@3.4ghz but fortunately on 1440p so that way i avoid 50-60%gpu usage

best
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You enjoy paying for stuff you don't need.

You know what they say about assumptions, eh?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you not assuming that bencher knows what they say about assumptions? :p

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well this is more like you need x99 only if you are like me and still on 775 q9550 here speaking smile.gif or you run SLI or CF
i mean i am running a single 780 on a q9550@3.4ghz but fortunately on 1440p so that way i avoid 50-60%gpu usage

best
revro

You're running a q9550 with a... GTX780? *blinks*
*doubletakes*
*recovers, finally*
Kudos for sticking to your guns for so long! Best of luck on your Haswell-E upgrade, you DESERVE it at this point!
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