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Also, this bezel stuff is annoying.
You can literally remove them, if you have a bit of time and a dremel.
We OC cpus, GPUs, and RAM.
We watercool and build custom cases.
And people are scared of modding a monitor?
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Umm, sure.
Assuming you have the funds for at least 3 more 780's.
And then a 12-15K PSU.
Yep, that's where we need to be...
Look, I am all for the advancement of tech, but there isn't any cable company or satellite provider that even offers 4K content. Not to mention any Hollywood entities.
Upscaling is for morons, because it's not made with native content. It's like the useless 240Hz Tv's. Nobody uses it except for sports, and even then you are getting a compromised image.
And while some may scale the game for 4K, they don't scale their textures for it.
It's a market for .001 of consumers this round.
Personally, I like OLED more, because it's not just about PPI, but about image quality.
Just my 2 cents.

We don't need 3 780's necessarily, within a series or two (880, 980) or for AMD 390x/490x gaming at 4k with a single card should not be unheard of. We're nearly there in the horsepower department, we just need more vram to be able to cope with the sheer number of pixels.

As far as 4k goes, there are companies already offering ultra high resolution content to consumers (ie Youtube, and soon netflix). Also, films are already being produced at resolutions over 1080p, and that's exactly what gets sent to the theatres for their releases. If I'm not mistaken most of them are already filmed at 4k/48fps. Burning that to Ultra HD Bluray should be little/no issue.

.001 consumers? I'm not sure what to make of that except to say that whilst 4k may not be huge now, it will be eventually. I'm guessing there will be a very large migration towards 4k (maybe even 8k) by the end of 2015.

As far as OLED goes, yes, it is an absolutely wonderful technology, but it's not without its downfalls. Although I'd very much so welcome it coming to mainstream TV's (to replace LED TV's). Also OLED technology does not conflict with a movement towards 4k, and as far as bezels go would encourage companies to cut down on bezel size.

And thus is my 2 and a half cents. thumb.gif
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post #13 of 8206
Single 780 Ti pushes 1440p at 60-70fps. Suddenly a single 880 with push 4K at 60fps.

Dat 150% generational performance improvement
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I don't know what it is about high resolution monitors that gets some people's knickers twisted. At some point we will hit diminishing returns, but we haven't hit that point yet. Also, who cares about "4k content" when you are on a computer?
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Lots of people seem to know exactly what 800 series card will run at acceptable fps...
Never knew there were so many industry insiders.
And "most films" are NOT filmed at 4k 48fps.
That is a flat out lie. Even Bryan Singer isn't filming Days of Futre Past in HFS.
The ONLY movies being offered at even 1080p 48fps are the Hobbit movies, with the Avatar movies to follow.
And there are still a huge amount of people who don't even like 48fps for movies, which is SUBJECTIVE.
and 4k content matter, on PC or not.
You can run games at that res, but the textures and fill rate for 4k are going to be a generation or 2 away.
A 780TI gets 90ish fps on Crysis3 @1080p
bump the res up to 4x that and see what happens....
And even if it were to somehow happen, how much do you think a card with 12-16GB GDDR5 plus new arch is going to cost?
$1000 per card on the LOW end.
And thus, I claim a very low adoption for the next 3-5 years for any attempt at 4K.
And even after that, diminishing returns. Nobody needs retina displays just yet. At least not for movies and games.
Edited by Nixuz - 12/31/13 at 2:58am
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As far as 4k goes, there are companies already offering ultra high resolution content to consumers (ie Youtube, and soon netflix). Also, films are already being produced at resolutions over 1080p, and that's exactly what gets sent to the theatres for their releases. If I'm not mistaken most of them are already filmed at 4k/48fps. Burning that to Ultra HD Bluray should be little/no issue.00quote]

Where is this "UltraBluRay" you speak of?
And if not, who is the heck has a pipe big enough for 4k streaming outside of KC with Google Fibre?

Messed, do not know how to quote properly

Edited by Nixuz - 12/31/13 at 3:07am
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Lots of people seem to know exactly what 800 series card will run at acceptable fps...
Never knew there were so many industry insiders.
And "most films" are NOT filmed at 4k 48fps.
That is a flat out lie. Even Bryan Singer isn't filming Days of Futre Past in HFS.
The ONLY movies being offered at even 1080p 48fps are the Hobbit movies, with the Avatar movies to follow.
And there are still a huge amount of people who don't even like 48fps for movies, which is SUBJECTIVE.
and 4k content matter, on PC or not.
You can run games at that res, but the textures and fill rate for 4k are going to be a generation or 2 away.
A 780TI gets 90ish fps on Crysis3 @1080p
bump the res up to 4x that and see what happens....
And even if it were to somehow happen, how much do you think a card with 12-16GB GDDR5 plus new arch is going to cost?
$1000 per card on the LOW end.
And thus, I claim a very low adoption for the next 3-5 years for any attempt at 4K.
And even after that, diminishing returns. Nobody needs retina displays just yet. At least not for movies and games.

You are missing one big point.
Playing on a 4K monitor, will allow you to reduce the AA, or not even use it at all, because of the high pixel density.
A 27" 1440p monitor with 109 ppi is completely out-shined by a 24" 4K monitor (like the new dell one) at 183 ppi. At this density, you will almost not see the need for AA.
This will allow you to easily reach the 60fps area given enough memory on the GPU.
And no, 12-16GB isn't needed. What does needed is better memory bandwide and direct access like the mantle or nvapi.
You can already see some games running with 2xMSAA on a single titan (from the earlier reviews of the 4K) running at 45-50 fps. If you drop the MSAA, you should be able to reach the 60fps today on some games. Don't forget that the current high end generation of cards (780 ti or 290x) is about 20-25% faster then the previous generation (680 or 7970). If you get that same increase next time, you will be able to play a single monitor 4K on one card. Two if you need AA and can't live without it.
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2560x1440 @ 120 hz 1ms, gysync G 27" or 30" or 32" Wish
3840X2600 @ 100hz 2ms, gysync 27 or 30 or 32. wish. Otherwise whats the point.

I need an upgrade from my samsung. 27 950. 1080p 120hz. even tho it looks like an IPS, even better than some. does Downsample @ 2560x1600.110hz . 3840x2600. @60hz. Blurry mess tho @ 60 hz

+ i carnt have 24" Im 6 to 8 feet from a monitor.

We shall see next week. ces starts on 7th ?
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please have higher resolution than 1080p !


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And "most films" are NOT filmed at 4k 48fps.

Most major films are filmed in 4k. 48fps? Probably not.

If they were not filming in 4k, they would slowly watch their footage rot when pixel density goes up in the future.

Back in the film days, it didn't matter what resolution it was filmed at because it was film. Digital, you have to care about it.

Now, in the early 2000s when digital cameras were starting to get pushed, they filmed at 1080p. What were the resolution on TVs way back then again? 480p at most. 720p if you were rich.
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