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@benben84 you might be using v sync in your games, but when it comes to 120/144hz it is just something you need to experience. it is truly hard to go back or enjoy 60hz but the same goes with higher resolution, 1440p looks amazing and so does everything higher and when you can get both of it is like a wet dream.
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post #122 of 8206
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I have been playing BF3 on an old Samsung 204b monitor which is a TN panel at I believe 60hz and I have no idea why you guys seem to be so negative on that, I see no motion blur and impressively enough I don't see tearing either. I can move the mouse around in circles and jerk react without seeing any blurring either. It could very well just be my eyes but I have had no experiences that would suggest my monitor would cause my gaming to be bad.

I also have played many games down to 30 frames per second or less and it really didn't bother me, if I can play like that, I see no issues at all playing at 4k with what you call bad monitor reviews/complaints. You seem to think only FPS players buy monitors and that everyone's eyes are the same.

The three biggest complaints I have in monitors are black levels, backlight bleeding, and dull colors. Those are the things l will be looking for in my next monitor and TN is terrible at all three.

I'm sorry, but this is complete and utter garbage, or you're just blind. I can easily see motion blur on my lightboost enabled TN, and I can see tearing too. However, it's bearable on a 120Hz strobed monitor, I have no idea how you claim to be unable to see such blatant visual imperfections on an inferior 60Hz monitor.
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I have been playing BF3 on an old Samsung 204b monitor which is a TN panel at I believe 60hz and I have no idea why you guys seem to be so negative on that, I see no motion blur and impressively enough I don't see tearing either. I can move the mouse around in circles and jerk react without seeing any blurring either. It could very well just be my eyes but I have had no experiences that would suggest my monitor would cause my gaming to be bad.

I also have played many games down to 30 frames per second or less and it really didn't bother me, if I can play like that, I see no issues at all playing at 4k with what you call bad monitor reviews/complaints. You seem to think only FPS players buy monitors and that everyone's eyes are the same.

The three biggest complaints I have in monitors are black levels, backlight bleeding, and dull colors. Those are the things l will be looking for in my next monitor and TN is terrible at all three.

BF3 isn't a competitive game though, a competitive game is about premade teams who preplanned a 6v6 match against another premade team in CS or TF2 or Quake (+mods) or UT2004. Not drop in and leave whenever pubs with tons of players. That or 1v1 duels in Quake III (or mods for it).

Note that a game not being a competitive friendly game doesn't mean it's bad, and competitive doesn't necessarily mean better or more "real gamer" or whatever that notion is people through around. It just means it was scheduled by two organized teams who have been practicing and coordination for some time now, kinda like a small time baseball league that you were in as a kid or whatnot.
Edited by Z Overlord - 1/2/14 at 1:33pm
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Probably some OP garbage.
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post #125 of 8206
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Yes and maybe no. I'm thinking G-Sync @ 60 fps or even less would be sufficient for the vast majority of people. I've actually got a 120hz 1440p monitor and I can say I see no difference between 120hz and 96hz and very little difference bewteen 96hz and 60hz.

What the jump from 60hz to 120hz did away was the stuttering and jittery scrolling that V-Sync gives you but without the input lag.

Just my 2 cents.

Have you tried a 120hz TN panel before or just your overclocked Korean? Because the difference is clearly there on a TN panel. I've got my Qnix set to 96hz because between 120 and 96hz it's a bit hard to tell the difference. Once I put up my samsung 120hz monitor, I can clearly see the difference. It's night and day. Not sure why, I guess it's just the tech in TN vs PLS/IPS but it's a lot smoother on TN. More blurring on PLS etc. Most games I don't really care for having an absurd refresh rate/ high fps but some shooters like CS:GO, there is a clear difference. Still getting accustomed to playing it on my Korean.
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post #126 of 8206
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I'm sorry, but this is complete and utter garbage, or you're just blind. I can easily see motion blur on my lightboost enabled TN, and I can see tearing too. However, it's bearable on a 120Hz strobed monitor, I have no idea how you claim to be unable to see such blatant visual imperfections on an inferior 60Hz monitor.
Just goes to show how people have different eyes and notice different things. I've also played on 144hz monitor and could honestly not tell the difference enough to care.

I read all kinds of monitor reviews showing ghosting and blurring but cannot notice it in real world myself. I have seen tearing really bad in games on my old Asus 27 inch but have not seen it on this one for some reason. Not having AA distracts me much more than any blurring or ghosting. Same goes for blacks that are not black on dark games or cutscenes.

Regardless, I barely play any FPS game anymore, I prefer single player games in campaign where I can delve into the story and take my time exploring the artwork and environment created for me. I don't need to explore Skyrim at 144hz. Having high resolution along with vivid color and deep blacks is much more fitted for my type of gaming.
 
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Just goes to show how people have different eyes and notice different things. I've also played on 144hz monitor and could honestly not tell the difference enough to care.

I read all kinds of monitor reviews showing ghosting and blurring but cannot notice it in real world myself. I have seen tearing really bad in games on my old Asus 27 inch but have not seen it on this one for some reason. Not having AA distracts me much more than any blurring or ghosting. Same goes for blacks that are not black on dark games or cutscenes.

Regardless, I barely play any FPS game anymore, I prefer single player games in campaign where I can delve into the story and take my time exploring the artwork and environment created for me. I don't need to explore Skyrim at 144hz. Having high resolution along with vivid color and deep blacks is much more fitted for my type of gaming.

Alright, makes sense. However, there's no comparison in FPS games, which I play a lot of. If you want a better monitor for non-FPS games, then that's great. Different monitors for different people. I would have preferred a CRT if I could find a good one.
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I don't need to explore Skyrim at 144hz.

But when you do with a strobed 120hz monitor and the fps is locked with no dips, its like...smooth butter being lathered on my eyes. I certainly don't need it but I know I want it. Really badly.
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Alright, makes sense. However, there's no comparison in FPS games, which I play a lot of. If you want a better monitor for non-FPS games, then that's great. Different monitors for different people. I would have preferred a CRT if I could find a good one.

I prefer high resolution 60 hz to low resolution 120+ Hz even in FPS games. I really think it's all preference. Very few people - if any - are so skilled that a few ms difference in input latency can affect their performance in game.

Like you say - different monitors for different people smile.gif

I'm actually getting really tired of the stereotype that "gaming monitor" = "low resolution high refresh rate monitor".
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I don't expect to see them dip below $3,000 for a while. Then again, they might surprise us at CES!
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