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....a lot of your issues would have been shown to really not be an issue if you looked at the specs of the display, and read into the panel more.

The TN panel in this display is the first true 8-bit TN, compared to the standard 6-bit you see in every other TN panel. Using new manufacturing and design techniques on top of this have greatly increased the quality of the panel. The general consensus of people that have seen it is that it is close to PLS or IPS in color reproduction, and it does have improved viewing angels from the normal TN.

So to scream "it's a TN PANEL for CRYING OUT LOUD" isn't a relevant statement at this point, because it isn't just a TN panel.

Going back to the Korean panels, having used an Overlord Tempest at 120Hz for over a year, the blurring on these panels is bad, no way around that. Color reproduction is great, the resolution is great, the motion clarity is almost non-existent. To a gamer, motion clarity is huge! Also, people are already paying $600+ for the 120Hz Koreans, that has been going on for a year or more now, Asus isn't out of line with their price point at all.

Finally, you complain about the price of these 1440P displays and say that if they were half the cost you would run 3 in multi-monitor. Do you have ANY idea how much hardware would be required to drive three of these displays in gaming? The current 4K displays on the market have 8,294,440 pixels. Three of these displays would be 11,059,200 pixels, $3,000 in GPU hardware BARELY drive 4K at "playable" frame rates, yet you think you are going to drive even more than that?

The cost of these panels for a multi-monitor setup is the least of the concerns in that application, the bigger concern being the cost of the hardware required to drive that number of pixels. Which brings up another point; you wouldn't want to drive two or three of these, as we don't have the hardware to successfully push 120 Hz+, and G-sync doesn't function in multi-monitor.

The reality of it is the price isn't the problem here, but a stigma towards TN panels and people thinking there is only one way to make a TN panel, and that all TN panels are the same.

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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

....a lot of your issues would have been shown to really not be an issue if you looked at the specs of the display, and read into the panel more.

The TN panel in this display is the first true 8-bit TN, compared to the standard 6-bit you see in every other TN panel. Using new manufacturing and design techniques on top of this have greatly increased the quality of the panel. The general consensus of people that have seen it is that it is close to PLS or IPS in color reproduction, and it does have improved viewing angels from the normal TN.

So to scream "it's a TN PANEL for CRYING OUT LOUD" isn't a relevant statement at this point, because it isn't just a TN panel.

Going back to the Korean panels, having used an Overlord Tempest at 120Hz for over a year, the blurring on these panels is bad, no way around that. Color reproduction is great, the resolution is great, the motion clarity is almost non-existent. To a gamer, motion clarity is huge! Also, people are already paying $600+ for the 120Hz Koreans, that has been going on for a year or more now, Asus isn't out of line with their price point at all.

Finally, you complain about the price of these 1440P displays and say that if they were half the cost you would run 3 in multi-monitor. Do you have ANY idea how much hardware would be required to drive three of these displays in gaming? The current 4K displays on the market have 8,294,440 pixels. Three of these displays would be 11,059,200 pixels, $3,000 in GPU hardware BARELY drive 4K at "playable" frame rates, yet you think you are going to drive even more than that?

The cost of these panels for a multi-monitor setup is the least of the concerns in that application, the bigger concern being the cost of the hardware required to drive that number of pixels. Which brings up another point; you wouldn't want to drive two or three of these, as we don't have the hardware to successfully push 120 Hz+, and G-sync doesn't function in multi-monitor.

The reality of it is the price isn't the problem here, but a stigma towards TN panels and people thinking there is only one way to make a TN panel, and that all TN panels are the same.

Wait i think you're yelling at the wong person here. I wasnt criticizing this panel, in fact I think it will be awesome, I admit yeah, I am a little unsure on the TN vs IPS thing, and I did NOT know that about the 8-bit thing, but that said, most TVs, even pricey ones, are still TN last I checked (I think only Panasonic has done some IPS TVs..)...and some of them look absolutely amazing.... And do keep in mind part of my hesitation is because I simply havnt seen one yet, I am very much a "I need to see it to judge it" type of person, its why blind buying monitors/speakers is difficult for me...

Given I AM in the market for a 1440p display I HAVE considered waiting on this puppy actually... I'm just not sure I'll benefit from the 120hz all that much given there are few games I can even hit 60 fps at 1440p and right now I can get something like the Dell 2713H for around $600. That said this might be my "have my cake and eat it too" monitor...
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Wait i think you're yelling at the wong person here. I wasnt criticizing this panel, in fact I think it will be awesome, I admit yeah, I am a little unsure on the TN vs IPS thing, and I did NOT know that about the 8-bit thing, but that said, most TVs, even pricey ones, are still TN last I checked (I think only Panasonic has done some IPS TVs..)...and some of them look absolutely amazing.... And do keep in mind part of my hesitation is because I simply havnt seen one yet, I am very much a "I need to see it to judge it" type of person, its why blind buying monitors/speakers is difficult for me...

Given I AM in the market for a 1440p display I HAVE considered waiting on this puppy actually... I'm just not sure I'll benefit from the 120hz all that much given there are few games I can even hit 60 fps at 1440p and right now I can get something like the Dell 2713H for around $600. That said this might be my "have my cake and eat it too" monitor...

Wow! I have no idea how it quoted you, I am 99.999999999% positive I quoted the other guy, as I even copied part of what he said into my main reply!

Sorry for the confusion, I went back and fixed it!

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Wow! I have no idea how it quoted you, I am 99.999999999% positive I quoted the other guy, as I even copied part of what he said into my main reply!

Sorry for the confusion, I went back and fixed it!

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Tis all good

And I like the TN panel in my laptop, its a nice panel, Just the glossy is EXTREMELY agitating sometimes.

I might consider waiting for this thing now that i am thinking about it.. Even if i cant use 120hz today if i grab another 770 in a few months and slot it in (Provided my PSU can handle it) then it would probubly be nice.. Im guessing the black level on this will be pretty good too... (I'm a huge black level nut..). Really for the supreme color accuracy situations my 2410 is still a tough cookie to beat from everything I've read (The switch to LED backlights has hurt sRGB colorspace from my understanding) so I'll hang onto it for photo editing..

Hmn decisions decisions...
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Using new manufacturing and design techniques on top of this have greatly increased the quality of the panel. The general consensus of people that have seen it is that it is close to PLS or IPS in color reproduction, and it does have improved viewing angels from the normal TN.

Based on what? All we have so far are the passing comments of a few people who got a glimpse of the monitor on display at a trade show. Given how long it's been since ASUS showed those prototypes, and given ASUS's recent silence, I am becoming more and more skeptical that what we've been told is what we're going to get. We were already told Q2, and it's not looking like that's going to happen. If it's true that they're doing polls on Facebook regarding whether the monitor should ship with an AG coating, then I'm not ready to make any claims about what it will or won't be when it finally gets here.
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

....a lot of your issues would have been shown to really not be an issue if you looked at the specs of the display, and read into the panel more.

The TN panel in this display is the first true 8-bit TN, compared to the standard 6-bit you see in every other TN panel. Using new manufacturing and design techniques on top of this have greatly increased the quality of the panel. The general consensus of people that have seen it is that it is close to PLS or IPS in color reproduction, and it does have improved viewing angels from the normal TN.

So to scream "it's a TN PANEL for CRYING OUT LOUD" isn't a relevant statement at this point, because it isn't just a TN panel.

Going back to the Korean panels, having used an Overlord Tempest at 120Hz for over a year, the blurring on these panels is bad, no way around that. Color reproduction is great, the resolution is great, the motion clarity is almost non-existent. To a gamer, motion clarity is huge! Also, people are already paying $600+ for the 120Hz Koreans, that has been going on for a year or more now, Asus isn't out of line with their price point at all.

Finally, you complain about the price of these 1440P displays and say that if they were half the cost you would run 3 in multi-monitor. Do you have ANY idea how much hardware would be required to drive three of these displays in gaming? The current 4K displays on the market have 8,294,440 pixels. Three of these displays would be 11,059,200 pixels, $3,000 in GPU hardware BARELY drive 4K at "playable" frame rates, yet you think you are going to drive even more than that?

The cost of these panels for a multi-monitor setup is the least of the concerns in that application, the bigger concern being the cost of the hardware required to drive that number of pixels. Which brings up another point; you wouldn't want to drive two or three of these, as we don't have the hardware to successfully push 120 Hz+, and G-sync doesn't function in multi-monitor.

The reality of it is the price isn't the problem here, but a stigma towards TN panels and people thinking there is only one way to make a TN panel, and that all TN panels are the same.
Wise words!

People need to understand that IPS panels are not suited for gaming in the current state of the technology. There is no way around it as of now.

This is a gaming monitor. And a TN panel is the best choice for a gaming monitor.

It's called "Asus ROG (Republic of Gamers) Swift"

Not "Asus Graphic Design Pro G-Sync Edition"
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Tis all good

And I like the TN panel in my laptop, its a nice panel, Just the glossy is EXTREMELY agitating sometimes.

I might consider waiting for this thing now that i am thinking about it.. Even if i cant use 120hz today if i grab another 770 in a few months and slot it in (Provided my PSU can handle it) then it would probubly be nice.. Im guessing the black level on this will be pretty good too... (I'm a huge black level nut..). Really for the supreme color accuracy situations my 2410 is still a tough cookie to beat from everything I've read (The switch to LED backlights has hurt sRGB colorspace from my understanding) so I'll hang onto it for photo editing..

Hmn decisions decisions...

Yea, your power supply has MORE than enough for a second card.
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Based on what? All we have so far are the passing comments of a few people who got a glimpse of the monitor on display at a trade show. Given how long it's been since ASUS showed those prototypes, and given ASUS's recent silence, I am becoming more and more skeptical that what we've been told is what we're going to get. We were already told Q2, and it's not looking like that's going to happen. If it's true that they're doing polls on Facebook regarding whether the monitor should ship with an AG coating, then I'm not ready to make any claims about what it will or won't be when it finally gets here.

Based on what?

We have had several members on this forum that have seen it in person and reported the same thing, in this very thread. I have also spoken with associates of mine that are in the industry who have had time with the display, and they are saying the same thing.

Every person that has seen the panel that I have spoken with pretty much has said the same thing.

Hell, looking at the specs of the panel alone tell you it isn't a normal TN panel.
    
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Yea, your power supply has MORE than enough for a second card.
Based on what?

We have had several members on this forum that have seen it in person and reported the same thing, in this very thread. I have also spoken with associates of mine that are in the industry who have had time with the display, and they are saying the same thing.

Every person that has seen the panel that I have spoken with pretty much has said the same thing.

Hell, looking at the specs of the panel alone tell you it isn't a normal TN panel.

I'm just confused about why you're defending specific characteristics of something that doesn't exist yet, and that you've never seen.

In fact, this monitor is bordering on vaporware status based on 1) the widespread evidence of its market appeal, and 2) ASUS declining to release any public information despite making Q2 claims while displaying a prototype at a trade show.

We all love the idea of the monitor. But until ASUS gives me something to chew on, I'm not making any more guesses about what this thing will or won't be.
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I'm just confused about why you're defending specific characteristics of something that doesn't exist yet, and that you've never seen.

In fact, this monitor is bordering on vaporware status based on 1) the widespread evidence of its market appeal, and 2) ASUS declining to release any public information despite making Q2 claims while displaying a prototype at a trade show.

We all love the idea of the monitor. But until ASUS gives me something to chew on, I'm not making any more guesses about what this thing will or won't be.

I am confused why you are bashing on something that isn't out yet and you haven't seen....

Like it or not, the display isn't Vaporware and has been seen in the wild. Asus also updated their release window to June. I am also confused about your "the widespread evidence of its market appeal" statement. Are you talking about the fact that everyone and their mother wants this? Or are you trying to say there is no appeal?

What more do you want to chew on? We have a release window, we have the specs, and we have seen the display in use.....

Just because you don't know anyone first hand that has used the display doesn't mean the rest of us are so limited in our resources and knowledge.

EDIT:

I have read your statement several times now and it is more than clear your only intention is to bash on a product, for some unknown reason. You are talking about wanting more to "chew" on, and acting like this thing has been kept under Top Secret levels of security. There is no way you can think that unless you have nefarious intentions.

Let's look at what we know about this display, compared to other hardware coming to market.....

  • We know the name and model number.
  • We have seen the display in use.
  • We know the entire spec list of the display, even the panel specs.
  • ROG is an established line within Asus, their flagship products.
  • We have a release window.
  • All of this has been confirmed by Asus themselves.


Now let's compare that to Haswell-E or the "up and coming" GTX 800 series from Nvidia.

  • We have "leaked" unconfirmed "possible" specs.
  • We have a semi-official release window "Second half of 2014" (Compared to a estimated MONTH from Asus).
  • We HAVE NOT seen either of these hardware products in the wild, only on paper.

I'm sorry, if this display is near VaporWare, what the hell are these other hardware products? A fairytale?
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So this monitor is a pretty exciting development but it better not cost $799. That is going to allure NO ONE from their already purchased 27" 1440p IPS Korean monitors. I mean it's a TN PANEL for CRYING OUT LOUD. It should be sub-$400 PERIOD. Then, it might actually attract my wallet, I'd buy THREE! Instead of just one for some sweet MULTI-MONITOR setup. But alas, this product is not meant for me. 3 monitors would cost $2400. A real crime that is.

I've tested 2 Qnix 1440 screens and an Apple thunderbolt display. The 2qnix were just bad, light bleeding and dead pixels, but that 60hz completely killed it for me. When I saw the Thunderbolt display, I fell in lovewith it. Image quality and colors were miles ahead of the korean stuff, but again the 60hz just killed it for me. i best enjoy games at 1080@120hz. If the RoG swift delivers, the 799 is high, but its a one of a kind product, and that means more $$, which is only like a 250-350 over the low quality korean stuff and on par with current Dell 1440 screens with less game oriented features.
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