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I guess it doesn't really matter too much. 120hz can do 24p and 30 fps video without and stutter. So glad I'm getting rid of my 60hz for this. Hopefully soon.
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I guess it doesn't really matter too much. 120hz can do 24p and 30 fps video without and stutter.
Yes that's another advantage of 120Hz monitors: being able to display 24fps movies without any judder.
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I just wonder why G-Sync doesn't work below 30 FPS.. not sure if it's even needed.
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Nice debates. This is more or less growing into an expert panel and its sure covering fps peeping rather than pixel peeping, well, it is part of that of, so I figured I would throw in some interesting info.

4K resolution is very interesting and when it comes to normal content like net surfing, viewing photos, movie's etc the upper midrange class Geforce cards will handle that. But it is as many of you state very different running games in 4K. I did mention a while back that I am considering Samsung S27A850D as my photo editing monitor, well.... Samsung is releasing a 4K monitor ($873,- in my case) that is looking very interesting.


Samsung U28D590D (4K)

 

- 28" 3840 x 2160 p
- 1 billion colours = 10 bit (8+2 FRC)
TFT active matris (TN) LED

- Viewing angles: Horizontal: 170 degree. Vertical: 160 degree .. that is PLS/IPS perspectives.
- Response time: 1 ms (GTG)

- Brightness: 370 cd/m^2
- Contrast ratio: 1000:1

- Refresh rate: 60 Hz

- Price: $873,-

 

Samsung S27A850D (2K)

 

- 27" 2560 x 1440 p

- 16 million colours = 8 bit

- PLS panel

- Viewing angles: Horizontal: 178 degree. Vertical 178 degree.

- Response time: 5 ms (GTG)
- Brightness: 300 cd/m^2
- Contrast ratio; 1000:1
- Refresh rate: 60 Hz

- Price: $690,-

My point is. Looking at the data (yes yes, I know that this is not everything one study) the 4K monitor looks damned good. Its brighter, have more colours, its larger, faster response time and it is 4K resolution than the PLS.
I play in 60Hz and I've always played in 60Hz. FPS, dunno, 40-50 on a okay card and I am okay with that. Not saying it is excellent, I am saying it is okay. Photos are always 1 fps, movies is always 24 (23.9**) fps and with correct tuned panel, the colours will almost always be within acceptable levels. 

 

ASUS claim that this TN panel is a new type of TN panel and that the colour representation and viewing angles are close to IPS/PLS... well, look at the spec of the Samsung, this too is close to their PLS panel. So what if and that is a big IF, the TN panel IS the Samsung panel being released in the PG278Q - they can actually produce the panel with same technology but cut the size and use different electronics to run it, it happens all the time in this industry.

Ofc, the Samsung is not a G-Sync monitor and I want a G-Sync monitor for gaming but I also want a 4K monitor so that I can watch movies in that resolution and work with photo editing and CGI. Meaning I might need to do a combo here. I use two monitors now and will probably continue with that or in fact, keep my Samsung Syncmaster 931BF as a display for chats, music library AND Nintendo NES/SNES gaming monitor etc and then use the Samsung U28D590D as my image monitor and the ASUS PG278Q as my work and game monitor

Yeah... I like that idea. 

 
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JJ5 days ago .Reply

As of right now we do not have a hard target date just the currently projected Q2 time frame. It is in the last stages of design and development and our goal is to release the best monitor possible for its intended audience. Stay tuned for more information.
 

JJ5 days ago .Reply

It is last stages of design and development essentially fine tuning but it is on schedule for our release target in Q2.

http://pcdiy.asus.com/2014/01/pg278q-rog-swift-gaming-monitor-the-best-gaming-monitor/

 

"We are currently looking at trying to achieve the best balance in the implementation of the polarizer. Overall we expect it to meet the demands of the majority of gamers. For those interested in a solely gloss based implementation we will continue to monitor feedback from our users and the community."
 
There seems to be matte/gloss-war going on.It will be matte,but more towards gloss than usual matte screens.

 
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This is 5 days ago, meaning, ASUS is still developing the monitor. 

 
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Nice debates. This is more or less growing into an expert panel and its sure covering fps peeping rather than pixel peeping, well, it is part of that of, so I figured I would throw in some interesting info.


4K resolution is very interesting and when it comes to normal content like net surfing, viewing photos, movie's etc the upper midrange class Geforce cards will handle that. But it is as many of you state very different running games in 4K. I did mention a while back that I am considering Samsung S27A850D as my photo editing monitor, well.... Samsung is releasing a 4K monitor ($873,- in my case) that is looking very interesting.

Samsung U28D590D (4K)

- 28" 3840 x 2160 p

- 1 billion colours = 10 bit (8+2 FRC)

TFT active matris (TN) LED
- Viewing angles: Horizontal: 170 degree. Vertical: 160 degree .. that is PLS/IPS perspectives.

- Response time: 1 ms (GTG)


- Brightness: 370 cd/m^2

- Contrast ratio: 1000:1


- Refresh rate: 60 Hz
- Price: $873,-

Samsung S27A850D (2K)

- 27" 2560 x 1440 p
- 16 million colours = 8 bit
- PLS panel
- Viewing angles: Horizontal: 178 degree. Vertical 178 degree.
- Response time: 5 ms (GTG)

- Brightness: 300 cd/m^2

- Contrast ratio; 1000:1

- Refresh rate: 60 Hz
- Price: $690,-


My point is. Looking at the data (yes yes, I know that this is not everything one study) the 4K monitor looks damned good. Its brighter, have more colours, its larger, faster response time and it is 4K resolution than the PLS.

I play in 60Hz and I've always played in 60Hz. FPS, dunno, 40-50 on a okay card and I am okay with that. Not saying it is excellent, I am saying it is okay. Photos are always 1 fps, movies is always 24 (23.9**) fps and with correct tuned panel, the colours will almost always be within acceptable levels. 

ASUS claim that this TN panel is a new type of TN panel and that the colour representation and viewing angles are close to IPS/PLS... well, look at the spec of the Samsung, this too is close to their PLS panel. So what if and that is a big IF, the TN panel IS the Samsung panel being released in the PG278Q - they can actually produce the panel with same technology but cut the size and use different electronics to run it, it happens all the time in this industry.


Ofc, the Samsung is not a G-Sync monitor and I want a G-Sync monitor for gaming but I also want a 4K monitor so that I can watch movies in that resolution and work with photo editing and CGI. Meaning I might need to do a combo here. I use two monitors now and will probably continue with that or in fact, keep my Samsung Syncmaster 931BF as a display for chats, music library AND Nintendo NES/SNES gaming monitor etc and then use the Samsung U28D590D as my image monitor and the ASUS PG278Q as my work and game monitor


Yeah... I like that idea. 

It is very possible, and probably likely, that Samsung is who Asus developed the panel with. Samsung is one of the major panel developers, so it would make sense. Now I believe the panel in the Asus is 8-bit and not 10, so they might be closely related, but not the same.
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This is 5 days ago, meaning, ASUS is still developing the monitor. 

We know, we seen those 5 days ago.

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Sounds like they're going with a non-aggressive AG aka semi-gloss. Could be good depending on the implementation. But it was made clear full gloss is out at this point. In one of his posts he mentioned the current implementation is pretty clear and doesn't have the aggressive cross-hatching typical of AG coats. Only time will tell.
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It is very possible, and probably likely, that Samsung is who Asus developed the panel with. Samsung is one of the major panel developers, so it would make sense. Now I believe the panel in the Asus is 8-bit and not 10, so they might be closely related, but not the same.
We know, we seen those 5 days ago.
:

The Asus.. what is it.. PB278Q? 27" 1440p panel thats on the market now uses the Samsung PLS panel, I think Asus tends to use Samsung as a panel supplier, So the theory has merit...

And I ran through the idea of doing say, a 24" 1080p 144hz monitor for some games and a 27" 1440p IPS display for others and dismissed it as simply too complicated.. All that runs through my head is that a few times I've tried to throw games up on my 60" LCD (Which is connected to my PC) that I've had issues unless I disable my 2410 and use -only- the TV... I really dont want to throw a THIRD screen into the mix.. The idea has merits however, as 1080p is far easier to get >60 FPS from(Which benefits the types of games id play on it), and truthfully a VG248 + Dell 2713HM costs almost the same as the ROG at current pricing...

But that doesnt change the "now i have 2 monitors on my desk instead of one" problem lol...and the VG248 is likely going to have some heavy IQ loss compared to my 2410, Only the Eizo I think would give me a really great image and its got some serious QC issues from what I hear... and its almost as much as the ROG...

I still question the benefit of the 120hz in my instance, the best im getting in most games at 1440p is 50-70fps(And that 70 is highly optimistic)... I'm just sticking with the "its future proof this way" arguement as well as "GSync is lovely" wink.gif.. Screen tearing is one of my bigger annoyances...and guaranteed it will have better pixel response times than my 2410 so things should still look a bit smoother...
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The colors on gloss panels look incredible but I can`t stand glare. I'd rather have a matte screen with dull colors than look at what is practically a mirror.

I don't get why people like glossy screens. How can you enjoy it with all that glare?
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