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When it comes to a TV or single monitor, I don't understand all of the hype over small bezels. But when it comes to multi-monitor setups, I can easily see how this is a plus.

90% of consumers are drooling idiots. Show them an OLED TV with perfect blacks after years of LCD garbage, and all they're interested in is how thin the screen is.

As for 'clean and professional', I'd say an even width all the way around looks more clean and professional, even if it's a little thicker.
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Some questions..

Anyone know if this screen or a future version will let you enable Lightboost & Gsync together rather than separate?

Not sure if i'd get a 1440p screen yet, i've been wondering about 4k screens though. Will 4k screens allow perfect fitting to 1080p? Or is it going to be an interpolated mess like all other monitors that get their resolution put down from native? I know this is a bit off topic, but i don't see why they can't somehow have 4k monitors that if set to 1080p look as good as a lone native 1080p screen.. if they could do that and have 120hz/144hz and all this Gsync stuff i'm sure many people would buy one of those. That way there would be no worries about picture quality, and would only need a simple switch of resolution if a game doesn't run as desired.

But as things are i am going to wait and see what happens.
post #2433 of 8206
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Some questions..

Anyone know if this screen or a future version will let you enable Lightboost & Gsync together rather than separate?

Not sure if i'd get a 1440p screen yet, i've been wondering about 4k screens though. Will 4k screens allow perfect fitting to 1080p? Or is it going to be an interpolated mess like all other monitors that get their resolution put down from native? I know this is a bit off topic, but i don't see why they can't somehow have 4k monitors that if set to 1080p look as good as a lone native 1080p screen.. if they could do that and have 120hz/144hz and all this Gsync stuff i'm sure many people would buy one of those. That way there would be no worries about picture quality, and would only need a simple switch of resolution if a game doesn't run as desired.

But as things are i am going to wait and see what happens.

My guess on why you can't use g-sync and lightboost together is because g-sync controls the refresh rate of the monitor to match your in game fps. If your fps gets low enough in game you will start noticing the inserted black frames which would be pretty bad and freak joe average consumer out.
    
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Will I notice a difference in sharpness between my current monitor, a BenQ XL2420TE (1920x1080, ~92ppi) and this ROG monitor that's coming out (~109ppi)?


I absolutely adore Lightboost on my current monitor, the BenQ but I am certain I will love G-Sync even more and even on the off chance that I don't it will still have a new and improved Lightboost to fall back on. I ask because the only monitor I have upgraded from in recent memory is 1680x1050 @ 91ppi to my current. Since that is the same PPI as my BenQ there was no difference in sharpness but I'm wondering if anyone sees this who went from 1080p -> 1440p did you notice a difference? I mean that's almost 20% sharper so I'm guessing I will perceive a crisper image but I want to know if anyone has any experience on this?
    
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Had to skip the last 100 pages, too much clutter. Any news on availability?
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Will I notice a difference in sharpness between my current monitor, a BenQ XL2420TE (1920x1080, ~92ppi) and this ROG monitor that's coming out (~109ppi)?


I absolutely adore Lightboost on my current monitor, the BenQ but I am certain I will love G-Sync even more and even on the off chance that I don't it will still have a new and improved Lightboost to fall back on. I ask because the only monitor I have upgraded from in recent memory is 1680x1050 @ 91ppi to my current. Since that is the same PPI as my BenQ there was no difference in sharpness but I'm wondering if anyone sees this who went from 1080p -> 1440p did you notice a difference? I mean that's almost 20% sharper so I'm guessing I will perceive a crisper image but I want to know if anyone has any experience on this?

Sure you will notice some difference... but the bigger difference is if you will have the monitor further away from you since in a way that is increasing the DPI. When I went from a 23 to a 27 the monitor went back a foot. So now the dots are even smaller... if you get what I am saying.
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Anyone know if this screen or a future version will let you enable Lightboost & Gsync together rather than separate?

Pretty sure they said they're working on it.

Theoretically, if you are controlling the panel refresh with G-Sync, you could also control the display backlight, and strobe it in coordination with the variable refresh. Theoretically, that should have some nice results. We'll see, though.
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If its that bad why even offer it? Unless the strobe effect is differ to crt at 85hz
Good question.

The strobe effect does differ from CRT's in several ways. For example the CRT scans a line from top to bottom while the LCD strobe backlight flash the whole screen at the same time.

But the net result is that LCD strobe flicker is actually harsher on the eyes than CRT flicker.
On the CRT the phosphor decay smooths out the flicker a bit. On LCD's the backlight just turns on an off.

ULMB at 85Hz is gonna feel as flickery as a CRT at 60Hz. So that's something to keep in mind.


So how many Hertz do you need to stop noticing the flicker with a strobe back light LCD:

Well there is no universal answer as it depends on several factors:


- Your flicker fusion threshold. It varies from people to people. In other words each individual has its own sensibility to flicker.

- The brightness of the monitor and the image/video/game. [Brighter = More flicker] [Darker = Less flicker]

- The ambient lighting in the room you're using the monitor. [Brighter = More flicker] [Darker = Less flicker]

- How much of your field of vision is covered by the image. Peripheral vision is more sensitive to flicker than central vision.

- The persistence of the backlight strobe. [Longer persistence = Less flicker] [Shorter persistence = More flicker]


So why do they include a 85Hz strobe mode in ULMB.

Because if you combine several conditions. 85Hz might actually be fine for some situations.
Let's say you're playing a dark game in a dark room and you're not a sensitive person to flicker. Then 85Hz ULMB might be fine.

You could see it like this:
The lightboost enthusiasts want more control over the low persistence mode and the ability to fine tune it.
NVIDIA answers by enabling several strobe frequencies in ULMB (85Hz, 100Hz, 120Hz) And they decided that 85 Hz will be the minimum strobe rate available. Because they don't want their consumer to get too much eyestrain.
Edited by Hasty - 4/1/14 at 6:11am
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Some questions..

Anyone know if this screen or a future version will let you enable Lightboost & Gsync together rather than separate?
They are surely considering it. But there are some engineering challenges to be resolved before that can happen.

if you were to combine ULMB and G-sync as they are working at the moment, you would get:
- Variable flickering
- Variable brightness

The variations in brightness and flicker would be highly obvious and annoying. So that's a big no.

There might be ways to solve this issue in the future. Here is a concept by Mark Rejhon: http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/creating-strobe-backlight/#variablerefresh
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Don't underestimate how high your flicker fusion frequency is. I measured mine once as part of an optics lab class, and it was 112 Hz. Though that number is affected by *how* the flicker is happening. I can sometimes see a faint flicker in fluorescent light output, even when they're not broken.

I wouldn't expect 85 Hz lightboost to work well for me.
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