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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Motion clarity and response time absolutely do impact a number of people on this forum, I am (or used to be) one of them. Then again, I played CS from the time it was a mod to 1.6 competitively, and I am sensitive to field of view and refresh rate. Heck, my best friend kept the same Viewsonic CRT for close to 20 years! It just blew on him Winter 2012, he replaced it with a Samsung LCD and just last winter with an Overlord Tempest X27OC, after seeing mine.

In truth, I would say that the issue impacts more people than they think! As a lot of gamers today never lived in the CRT days, with crisp visuals and butter smoother motion. They simply don't know better because all they have known are 60Hz with crazy motion blur.

CS 1.6 was my main introduction to PC gaming. I played it semi-competitively (clan matches) for a number of years, and was pretty decent. By no means a godly player, but I was several steps above pub trash. Began playing on a nice 100 Hz 1600x1200 CRT. Switched after a few years to what I would now consider to be a piece of junk 60 Hz 1280x1024 LCD. It had no noticeable affect on my gameplay.

That was back in my high school/college days, and I'm not as skilled as I used to be due to less free time with a job and family, but I still perform exactly the same on a 120 Hz LCD as I do on a slow 7ms IPS display.

I dunno... maybe my experience is abnormal and everyone else got worse when they moved away from CRTs, but I'm definitely not speaking out of naïveté about the blur that exists on LCDs.
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It's nice to see that there are others out there that agree that 120Hz strobed helps.

if only you could use G Sync with strobing, if only
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post #863 of 8206
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

I believe they showed a 28" 4K with G-Sync.

They did but it was a proof of concept only I believe. G-sync was ghetto modded to the back of it.
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Originally Posted by benben84 View Post

http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/19/campaigns/p2815q-coming-soon-page

Quoted from their site: "Priced at under $1000"


I wouldn't touch that Dell P2815Q with a 10 foot poll for the "under $1000" price (it's actually $699).

It's only 30Hz at 4K resolution.

[Updated] Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699
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The P2815Q will have a 3840 x 2160 4K UHD resolution. It launches globally on January 23. Dell hasn’t yet discussed things like refresh rate or range of inputs (I’m sure DisplayPort is a given), but they do promise the same “screen performance” as the new UltraSharp 32 and UltraSharp 24 Ultra HD monitors. That’s certainly encouraging since their UltraSharp line is normally a cut above when it comes to professional displays.

But what makes it a no go for me ...
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UPDATE: I now have confirmation of the P2815Q’s full specs, and have listed them below. Unfortunately, it tops out at 30Hz 3840 x 2160 and 60Hz for 1920 x 1080. This should prove a deal breaker for gamers, but the monitor still has a solid feature set for the asking price and represents an attractive option for creative professionals not focused on gaming.
post #865 of 8206
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

I wouldn't touch that Dell P2815Q with a 10 foot poll for the "under $1000" price (it's actually $699).

It's only 30Hz at 4K resolution.

[Updated] Dell Wasn't Joking About That 28-Inch Sub-$1000 4K Monitor; It's Only $699
But what makes it a no go for me ...
Yep. The Asus PB287Q is a much better choice at 60hz. I believe the nes Samsung is as well.
 
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I am hopping to upgrade to 32 from 27. This way i can mount the LCD in the wall and get more space in the desk.
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Yep. The Asus PB287Q is a much better choice at 60hz. I believe the nes Samsung is as well.

That dell is also a TN panel.
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I think it has to do with the amount out IPS worshippers out there, they think TN is unusable.

Well i think it'd be kinda nice to have better colors and none of the tn issues like viewing angles, but it's like the whole vsync on vs off argument. It'd be nice to have no tearing, but the compromise is ridiculous
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Ok Source Engine game players (CSGO, CSS, TF2) as well as anyone who plays any comp in any multiplayer game: Do you think 27" might be too much screen space for comp or just plain ol' serious gaming? I currently have a 24" and I honestly think much more space would be too much to track and might be disadvantageous for gaming. I also wonder if HUD elements might become too small (of course custom HUDs can change this).

Thoughts?

Too much. I've tried gaming on a 27" and there's just honestly too much that is on the sides of your screen, but this could very well be because of the distance I am from my screen (10-12" when gaming).

When i'm not gaming though, I loved having my 27". Grabbed a 30" NEC though now which is even better for desktop use. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Motion clarity and response time absolutely do impact a number of people on this forum, I am (or used to be) one of them. Then again, I played CS from the time it was a mod to 1.6 competitively, and I am sensitive to field of view and refresh rate. Heck, my best friend kept the same Viewsonic CRT for close to 20 years! It just blew on him Winter 2012, he replaced it with a Samsung LCD and just last winter with an Overlord Tempest X27OC, after seeing mine.

In truth, I would say that the issue impacts more people than they think! As a lot of gamers today never lived in the CRT days, with crisp visuals and butter smoother motion. They simply don't know better because all they have known are 60Hz with crazy motion blur.

Agreed 100%.
Edited by dmasteR - 1/10/14 at 6:56pm
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Well i think it'd be kinda nice to have better colors and none of the tn issues like viewing angles, but it's like the whole vsync on vs off argument. It'd be nice to have no tearing, but the compromise is ridiculous

Personally, the compromise between 120hz IPS/PLS @6ms vs strobed TN @ 144hz@1ms is not all that big of a compromise. TN vs IPS/PLS angle/colorshift/colors is about as much if not greater of a compromise. Now if you were talking 60hz ips/pls vs strobed 144hz tn i'd be on board with ya.
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