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what confuses me is the outright endless contradictions and terrible attitude displayed. Imagine the RMA process and customer response?

Let me remind people that technically MP3 measures worse than FLAC and if you care about your music then perhaps you still want the so called masked bits that MP3 takes away which still add to the overall sound ?

Now here we reach a crossroads ..

digital / dance music is often on separate channels and does not resonate and interact with the other channels. Acoustic recordings most certainly do require sound stage interactions to help with the feeling that you can place the instruments and that those instruments can resonate off separate instruments to form the bands sound .. its why live sounds so good. With MP3 you asking for the codec to remove this. I think the majority of people watching these videos listen to heavily compressed electronic dance music, 8 bit tunes, computerised orchestral stuff, dub step etc..

So yea the differences will be harder to spot but you know what... there still there !


Its like running medium resolution textures vs high .. lets all run medium because there isn’t much difference?? ohh hang on even 1080p isnt good enough, were now looking at 4k and 4k textures to match! chasing an old compressed format from when the internet had less bandwidth seems pointless and in fact i think a lot of the sound signiture of MP3 lends itself to a nostalgic romanticism of how the internet/computer music experience used to 'sound'



finally, people spend money on cables, transports,DAC's, isolation, Power filtering, you name it .. silly money just for a perceived tiny marginal gain yet here we have a consensus that FLAC can sound around 5 - 10% for most and i would imagine for acoustic a lot more. So that’s real gains technically measurable ... for free.


If i ran an audio business i wouldn’t set my stall up and claim higher fidelity files were pointless just because most wouldn’t hear a difference.. surely couldn’t we say the same for the sort of external DAC's / Headphone amps people are so into nowadays?

its just a backwards mentality
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All this bits and bytes really opens for a lot of discussion, but what realy matters for sound quality, is the recording, mixing and mastering and the music itself.
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All this bits and bytes really opens for a lot of discussion, but what realy matters for sound quality, is the recording, mixing and mastering and the music itself.

of course, so to intentionally throw those bits away for the sake of a few GB on your favourite tracks seems pointless. Sure on those nice but not reference tracks have CBR 320kbps but otherwise splash out and treat yourself to lossless
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Class A or single ended is not "inefficient". IDK where they get the notion that class A is using up extra energy in heat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplifier#Disadvantage_of_class-A_amplifiers
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Uhhhh huh. Right.

The problem is that it technically is not inefficient. Class A does a very particular job. It is designed to have 1 amplifier amplify the whole signal. I could only call class A inefficient when they decide to design a new class of amplifier that does the EXACT same job with less power.

Plus, this still does not explain why mayflower things there is so much energy being transferred into heat.
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Since when did quoting Wikipedia articles to prove a point become acceptable?
    
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I don't understand why you guys are jumping down his throat. They are electrically inefficient, how can you even dispute that. Go run your amp for an hour, then grab the tube and report back.
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I don't understand why you guys are jumping down his throat. They are electrically inefficient, how can you even dispute that. Go run your amp for an hour, then grab the tube and report back.

*smashes head into wall*

They make solid state class A amplifiers as well. Tubes are not necessary to achieve class A. Last time I checked, solid state class A amps do not make that much heat either.
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