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Originally Posted by shilka View Post

I missed that so that was not on purpose

But this is my entire point. You are spouting off "facts" to people that trust you, and you have made numerous factual errors and blatantly incorrect statements.

Whether you know you're doing it or not is irrelevant. You have good intentions, I believe that. But your methods need to be addressed. If you continue with your current methodology you will be causing a huge amount of headaches for the people who come to this forum asking for legitimate feedback.

Why don't you talk about trying to get your power supply replaced if it dies?
Why don't you talk availability and what's easy to find for customers locally?
Why don't you talk about real world usage and the difference between 30mV ripple and 40mV ripple being completely and totally useless in a real world scenario?

You're trying man, I believe that. I want to believe that deep down, you want to do this because you want to help people make good decisions.

But what I'm saying is that if you don't change the way you evaluate vendors (and not just Corsair, but all vendors) then you're going to be recommending people buy products that they may not be able to easily find, or easily RMA, and that would be louder and less suited to their actual needs and desires because you're on a blind tear against Brand X or Brand Y.

My only piece of advice to you is to act less like a talk show host spouting off information with bad facts backing them, and more as an educator and teacher.

This may hurt to hear, but a number of people have sent me very positive PMs and messages (and rep) for my comments in this thread. It's not just me, the rest of the community wants you to tone it down a notch and be more fair and measured in your response.

I know you don't get paid for this, and it's of your own free will. But I think if you're going to put the effort into it, please try and act as the mature, responsible leader that settles arguments, not starts them.
post #112 of 649
George, I believe your just fanning the flames here mate.

I believe we live in a free society where one can express his own opinion on a product!

to me all your doing with your posts is just nitpicking at one member of the community & making yourself look bad!

Regardless of what the facts are now, it doesn't take away from the fact that mostly the information is all correct.

Also talking about what is easy to RMA etc or easy to obtain for someones regional location, well that says it all rolleyes.gif

we shouldn't even have to worry about RMA's on purchasing a new unit.

Im pretty sure you just want him to shut up because you are seeing the effects from it in sales. Well good! produce something better!

oh & thx for completing corsairs image on how they deal with criticism about there products
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Despite how much it looks like i dislike the CX i have saved a dozen people from buying a junker unit and told them to get a CX

So calling me biased is just plain wrong

Not from what I've seen, any time a CX unit is mentioned in a thread you always shoot it down and claim it as a not very good product and recommend products that are the same quality.
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You guys want to criticize the product, that's fine. You want to have an intelligent discussion, I welcome and embrace that.

But this adolescent namecalling is the type of thing that brings a great forum like OCN into the weeds. I'm 35 years old, so I've seen this happen to a number of great forums in the past. Once people stop having a reasonable discussion and start acting like morons, the more mature and responsible members leave. And then all that's left is loud idiots.

I don't want to see that happen to OCN, and of course, because this one is targeted at Corsair, I get a little bit sensitive about it. Especially when there are factual inaccuracies spouted by people who just don't know any better, and they end up misleading people who come here seeking reasonable information.

I 100% agree with you here, it is getting quiet silly around here. I wish I had more time to devote to correcting the factual inaccuracies that get thrown around on here a lot, but with work and classes I'd rather spend what free time I get doing things more enjoyable. I have an Associate of Applied Science in Electronics Technology and know quiet a bit more about how power supplies work and use that to make my own judgement in what I consider a quality PSU unit.
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My only piece of advice to you is to act less like a talk show host spouting off information with bad facts backing them, and more as an educator and teacher.

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I also agree with this, seems like people eat this stuff up as fact and then go around posting it and defending the information as if it was true.
Edited by XAslanX - 1/26/14 at 12:57am
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What worries me here is that a completely logical question I did earlier, regarding a known design flaw on a very specific line of Corsair PSUs (the low wattage RM series) was completely ignored.

On the other hand, I don't have a thousand posts backing me up here. Who's gonna take the time to listen to some random guy with fewer than 100 posts anyway? Looks like I greatly underestimated the e-peen factor. My bad.
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Not from what I've seen, any time a CX unit is mentioned in a thread you always shoot it down and claim it as a not very good product and recommend products that are the same quality.

What particular product is the same quality as the CX?
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What worries me here is that a completely logical question I did earlier, regarding a known design flaw on a very specific line of Corsair PSUs (the low wattage RM series) was completely ignored.

On the other hand, I don't have a thousand posts backing me up here. Who's gonna take the time to listen to some random guy with fewer than 100 posts anyway? Looks like I greatly underestimated the e-peen factor. My bad.

I will and i do

You mean the CWT made models which are the whole series besides the 750 and 850 watts

I was told it was fixed by jonnyguru which was why that part was removed
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So it was fixed, just in a stealthy way.

I guess I should give my 2 cents regarding the whole matter now.

I also find shilka's approach regarding Corsair quite over the top, but he does have a point. No, actually more points than one. Even if he ends up not being subjective sometimes.

The Corsair representatives so far pinpointed to the errors shilka did in order to discredit him, and as a result, discredit his concerns too. This is common practice.
However, I never saw any Corsair representative discredit any of the Corsair zealots around the net. Ever. No matter the kind of nonsense those zealots claimed in order to support Corsair.
This kind of approach is nowhere near being subjective either, at all.

Regarding Corsair products being available and backed up by their warranty. There are dozens of known and reputable companies next to Corsair that do more or less the same thing. It's the likes of Antec, Seasonic, CoolerMaster, Silverstone, NZXT, Enermax, Thermaltake, etc.
More often than not have those companies messed up on one or more of their products. But most of the time they at least attempted to make up when applicable. Enermax had the conductive glue on their Liberty series, Antec had the Quattro series that blew up when overloaded, EVGA had their recent recalls, etc.

Now the thing is, sooner or later, every company messes up (if it survives long enough on the market). What the company does when that happens is what matters the most.
Well the good news, are that Corsair fixed their flawed parts.
The bad news are that many users end up getting the flawed parts instead of the fixed ones without even knowing that those parts are flawed.



Lastly the ugly part. Oh, and it IS ugly.
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Why don't you talk about trying to get your power supply replaced if it dies?
Why don't you talk availability and what's easy to find for customers locally?
Why don't you talk about real world usage and the difference between 30mV ripple and 40mV ripple being completely and totally useless in a real world scenario?

Here we have it. A Corsair representative criticizing the approach of a user who does all this in order to help people. The comment about 10mv of difference in ripple being useless in real world scenarios really ticked me off here. It's hypocrisy in all its glory.

For years, and I mean years, I've been listening of how superb are some power supplies (from Corsair and other companies) by using a "single power rail" and by "exceeding the ATX specification by 40%". It's advertised all over most reviews and the packaging of most products. And suddenly, after 10+ years of using those claims (that make no difference in real world scenarios by the way) Corsair decides that since someone else is doing it, but against them this time, it's useless.

Who do you think you're talking to? Someone mentally disabled or something? Is that the opinion you have about this community you previously claimed to have "higher hopes" of?
Well, you should get your facts straight. The community doesn't need your hopes. YOU need the community. Not the other way around. It's that simple.
Edited by PsyM4n - 1/26/14 at 5:38am
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So it was fixed, just in a stealthy way.

Not so much in a stealth way. I don't expect you to go back and re-read this long thread, so I'll summarize.

As I explained to shilka:

The problem with the 750W and 850W affected all units made up until that point. That problem could seriously effect users, so Corsair made an announcement of the problem, fixed it and said they'd replace any units in that particular batch with newer units.

The problem with the 450~650W was limited to PVT samples, some of which were used for reviews and the issue was spotted by two reviewers (including Oklahoma Wolf). By the time those reviews went live, the issue was addressed before the first container even shipped out. Since it was something only spotted by two reviewers and not made a big issue out of (until this thread, of course), there was no need to throw up a bunch of red flags and panic users.
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The problem with the 450~650W was limited to PVT samples, some of which were used for reviews and the issue was spotted by two reviewers (including Oklahoma Wolf). By the time those reviews went live, the issue was addressed before the first container even shipped out. Since it was something only spotted by two reviewers and not made a big issue out of (until this thread, of course), there was no need to throw up a bunch of red flags and panic users.

You're right. Shouldn't the reviewers update their reviews though? In order to let the end users know that the issue does not affect retail units and such. The reviews alone count as red flags.
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But this is my entire point. You are spouting off "facts" to people that trust you, and you have made numerous factual errors and blatantly incorrect statements.

Whether you know you're doing it or not is irrelevant. You have good intentions, I believe that. But your methods need to be addressed. If you continue with your current methodology you will be causing a huge amount of headaches for the people who come to this forum asking for legitimate feedback.

Why don't you talk about trying to get your power supply replaced if it dies?
Why don't you talk availability and what's easy to find for customers locally?
Why don't you talk about real world usage and the difference between 30mV ripple and 40mV ripple being completely and totally useless in a real world scenario?

You're trying man, I believe that. I want to believe that deep down, you want to do this because you want to help people make good decisions.

But what I'm saying is that if you don't change the way you evaluate vendors (and not just Corsair, but all vendors) then you're going to be recommending people buy products that they may not be able to easily find, or easily RMA, and that would be louder and less suited to their actual needs and desires because you're on a blind tear against Brand X or Brand Y.

My only piece of advice to you is to act less like a talk show host spouting off information with bad facts backing them, and more as an educator and teacher.

This may hurt to hear, but a number of people have sent me very positive PMs and messages (and rep) for my comments in this thread. It's not just me, the rest of the community wants you to tone it down a notch and be more fair and measured in your response.

I know you don't get paid for this, and it's of your own free will. But I think if you're going to put the effort into it, please try and act as the mature, responsible leader that settles arguments, not starts them.


yeah i sort of agree with you shilka seems ot be anti corsair dont know why your ram seems good to me not as beefy as the hyperx t1 ddr2 i had in the old rig but still good

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