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Let's set aside companies and which products are which and look the problems experienced. They're not all the same.


Problem 1: faulty fan control algorithm causes power supply to shut down by reaching OTP limit when operated constantly around 50% load (but not high enough for the fan to kick in) with high enough ambient intake temperatures and the right conditions. Doesn't seem to affect most users based on usage patterns and not seen by most reviewers even stress testing 40% load in hotbox.
Fallout: hardware revision so new units shipped have the problem fixed. Replacements for old users available and with free shipping.

Problem 2: not enough insulation on a thermal pad causes some samples to shut down or not be able to power on. Wasn't seen by reviewers.
Fallout: hardware revision so new units shipped have the problem fixed. Replacements for old users available and with free shipping.

Problem 3: missing wiring causes some +5V pins on ATX connector to be unused. This results in effectively less power being able to be supported for the motherboard on a +5V-based system. Doesn't affect people using systems newer than Pentium 3 or so.
Fallout: ?? I don't know if there's a hardware revision or not, but there's no recall I think.


I don't think problem 3 is worth the hassle of changing out for most users, since it's not an issue for almost everybody. Got that Pentium 3 overclocked? Problem 2 seems the most serious as that affects the operation of potentially every unit no matter how you use it, so it should get the most aggressive response. I'm not sure if the shipping details / RMA / returns process was a little different on 1 and 2.
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1 was the old Corsair RM750/850 issue, and 3 was on the other RMs (maybe not 1000W? I'm not sure). 2 was EVGA 1000W/1300W Leadex-based power supplies.
post #22 of 649
The problem with the missing +5v connectors is far more serious than the other 2 actually.

Not all motherboards are made the same way. A lot of components work using very low voltages, below 2 volts, with mosfets on the board doing the conversion by using the major lines. One manufacturer might be using the 12v line to provide low voltages, some other might be using the 5v line while some other the 3.3v line.

Now, the thing is. It's certain that some boards use the +5v line to feed some fets with power. When some of the 5v connections are missing then the board either shuts off, (that's bad) or overloads the other 5v connections (that's even worse, this means that your system will be set on fire).

The end result is some boards frying themselves, while most others are not. All because of the PSU being off-specs. But the end user will not know that the PSU is responsible (unless he knows that this specific PSU line has this specific issue) and will en up blaming the motherboard manufacturer.
The worst part is, that because of Corsair's reputation, it'll be impossible to convince the end user that the PSU is to blame.

Yeah, it's that bad. Way to go Corsair. thumb.gif
post #23 of 649
Some FETs maybe but not CPU VRM FETs, unless you know of some examples? You shouldn't be getting enough draw to be a concern from the other components on the board outside of CPU power delivery.
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Some FETs maybe but not CPU VRM FETs, unless you know of some examples? You shouldn't be getting enough draw to be a concern from the other components on the board outside of CPU power delivery.
Memory VRM and alot of 5V stuff on a mobo. If you're ignorant to that then I guess you read up
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If the motherboard maker decided to use the 5v line to power the ram, pci-e, pch/southbridge and the rest "secondary" fets you're pretty much screwed actually.
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If the motherboard maker decided to use the 5v line to power the ram, pci-e, pch/southbridge and the rest "secondary" fets you're pretty much screwed actually.

Any boards out there right now that does?
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post #27 of 649
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Any boards out there right now that does?
Sure. It all depends on the fets used and the voltage decided by the maker. Good luck going through the specs of every fet out there and using your multimeter to measure the voltage going to each fet... for the few thousand boards that came out these last 5-10 years or so. All that to make sure that the psu won't fry your board.


A lot of boards do use only the 12v line (unless on standby where only the 5vsb line is used) but the idea to get rid of the additional lines hasn't taken off yet, so many still use the minor ones.

Now, if you want a specific answer, get some hundred boards and some multimeters so you can check yourself. Good luck going through all those boards. tongue.gif
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Sure. It all depends on the fets used and the voltage decided by the maker. Good luck going through the specs of every fet out there and using your multimeter to measure the voltage going to each fet... for the few thousand boards that came out these last 5-10 years or so. All that to make sure that the psu won't fry your board.


A lot of boards do use only the 12v line (unless on standby where only the 5vsb line is used) but the idea to get rid of the additional lines hasn't taken off yet, so many still use the minor ones.

Now, if you want a specific answer, get some hundred boards and some multimeters so you can check yourself. Good luck going through all those boards. tongue.gif
Don't forget USB, it's still going through the 5V line tongue.gif
Some people pull massive current through the USB (*cough* people like me)
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post #29 of 649
Yeah, sure, but are three +5V wires (and the grounds of course) not going to be able to handle those parts? Going from five wires to three isn't a problem unless you're actually drawing more power than that off those lines.

Okay, if the board only takes the 20-pin ATX, you're down to two from four.

I mean, it's definitely not a good look for CWT or Corsair, but is it seriously going to be problematic in more than a few incidents?
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