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Those were by percentage generally, though often counted by returns rate (return due to coil whine and the thing still working fine would count), depending on which statistics are being pointed to.

It seems like some decent number of people had issues with products based on the high-wattage X series, and yeah, plenty of power supplies with lower output quality might have better longevity or lower failure rate in the "does it work or not?" category.

Seasonic isn't a top OEM in terms of volume of units shipped, so their QC is not necessarily tops. They just make a lot of high-performance enthusiast designs that enthusiast computer components brands pick up and use. In any case, from inspection of individual units it seems at least their soldering quality has improved in the last few years.
The only reason why their RMA percentage is pretty high is due to coil whine on the KM2 platform (X-series)
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Damn, LOL! All these Corsair PSU lines it is hard to keep track of and then wait if they get into the SFF/SFX market.

Who is this CS market catering after?
Wait till you look at what CM is bringing to the market ... Well, at least they're easy to track.
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The only reason why their RMA percentage is pretty high is due to coil whine on the KM2 platform (X-series)
Wait till you look at what CM is bringing to the market ... Well, at least they're easy to track.

LOL! What is CM bringing to the market? This should be fun.
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LOL! What is CM bringing to the market? This should be fun.
Quite a few of them. Including TFX/SFX PSUs i think based on the V-series IIRC
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There's at least one counterexample, the Arctic Cooling Fusion (S12II gone wrong by way of overcheapification; if you want a low cost you don't ask Seasonic to OEM in the first place generally):
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=209

not to mention the Silver Power Seasonic based supplies, a mate had one and he had a new underwear moment, when it went bang. I still have a hard time educating him on the different Seasonic platforms and oem differences.

Hopefully our friendly Corsair reps read threads like this one though, because the complaints are not unwarranted, and while some of the problems are either fixed or blown out of proportion, Corsair is definitely falling out of favour with many enthusiasts, and with the dwindling pc market, they need to keep their customers happy, and take a look at that price premium.
    
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not to mention the Silver Power Seasonic based supplies, a mate had one and he had a new underwear moment, when it went bang. I still have a hard time educating him on the different Seasonic platforms and oem differences.

Hopefully our friendly Corsair reps read threads like this one though, because the complaints are not unwarranted, and while some of the problems are either fixed or blown out of proportion, Corsair is definitely falling out of favour with many enthusiasts, and with the dwindling pc market, they need to keep their customers happy, and take a look at that price premium.
While unlike you say, Corsair isn't dwindling anytime soon. People just keep on buying Corsair products because it's "Corsair"
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Corsair is another word used for pirate for anyone that does not know

I have read this thread multiple times and your bias is offensive and immature. The fact that our name means "pirate" is not some mechanism designed to pilfer money from your pockets. It's been the same for 20 years, and whether you believe it or not, we're just a bunch of guys trying to make good parts and sell them to people who want them.

The TX series was replaced because people had multiple complaints:
1. It was expensive for a Bronze certified unit.
2. It was too loud.
3. It wasn't fully modular.

The RM series addressed those three complaints at around the same price point. (Though TX has typically been heavily discounted for the last year to keep people buying it, the original MSRPs for TX series and RM series are very close together)

You have legitimate complaints about some of your items. Capacitor selection, pricing - these things are all being addressed and have been mentioned in this thread. We are not perfect and all these concerns are being taken very seriously here at Corsair.

Those who truly know PSU design and layout (not me) have discussed the finer points of the RM series for months, and we have made changes already based on customer feedback, and a number of people have commented on that already.

But that being said, I find the attitude you have presented throughout this thread somewhat unprofessional. The first few posts had data overload and were mostly factual with a bit of opinion thrown in, but throughout the thread I feel that you have done your best to paint us as money-grubbing idiots who don't know anything about the industry, and though it won't change anything, I am here to let you know that we disagree.

We have engineers on staff, enthusiasts on staff, and hobbyists on staff who believe you are doing a disservice to the community.

The tag line under your name says "PSU Brands are meaningless, look up the OEM" is a disservice as well. Not everyone who buys from Seasonic gets the same part. Not everybody who buys from CWT gets the same part.

Time after time we've proven that even when we use a product that was similar to a product that was already on the market (our CWT units that were similar in platform to the Thermaltake units), we make changes that result in happier customers.

Our warranty and service separate us from our competition as well.

I will not denigrate Seasonic, they make fine PSUs. But so do many other companies. OEM is not the only important thing. Do you buy a Foxconn or Pegatron built phone? Do you even know the OEM of your phone? The answer for most people is no, because they don't care. What they want is features, price, and service. That balance is delicate and we never truly get it 100% right. But let's not be dishonest and pretend that all you need to do to buy a good PSU is to have Seasonic OEM it. There are lots of products out there that prove that, even from our competition.

We do not buy standard units off the shelf. We make significant modifications to the layouts and specifications, including fans, electrical components, etc. This changes the product, sometimes significantly. We offer a number of reasons to buy Corsair besides raw price/performance, and to suggest that anybody with a Corsair PSU in their build is a "fanboy" and incapable of making decisions for themselves is condescending and judgmental, not to mention incorrect.

What good will this reply do? It's clear you dislike our company, so I have been advised to ignore the thread - but I don't think I can any longer.

The reason I am posting this, instead of ignoring it, is simply because I believe you are doing the enthusiast community a disservice.

I will be honest here - there are better PSUs than the RM series. There are even some better PSUs that might cost slightly less. Had you left it at that, I wouldn't have minded.

But the attacks on our intent, our character, and our overall frame of mind I find distasteful and disappointing. I had higher hopes from the OCN community, which is usually one of the most mature and helpful hardware communities on the internet.

I'm pretty disappointed in this thread. What I hoped would involve an honest, and open discussion, has turned into two people making half-informed opinions and acting as schills for one of our competitors.

There are better ways to behave, guys. We should be better than that.
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I was talking about the original meaning of the word Corsair not the company Corsair

Corsairs (French: corsaire) were privateers, authorized to conduct raids on shipping of a nation at war with France, on behalf of the French crown. Seized vessels and cargo were sold at auction, with the corsair captain entitled to a portion of the proceeds. Although not French Navy personnel, corsairs were considered legitimate combatants in France (and allied nations), provided the commanding officer of the vessel was in possession of a valid Letter of Marque (Lettre de Marque or Lettre de Course, the latter giving corsairs their name), and the officers and crew conducted themselves according to contemporary admiralty law. By acting on behalf of the French Crown, if captured by the enemy, they could claim treatment as prisoners of war, instead of being considered pirates. Because corsairs gained a swashbuckling reputation, the word "corsair" is also used generically as a more romantic or flamboyant way of referring to privateers, or even to pirates. The Barbary pirates of North Africa as well as Ottomans were sometimes called "Turkish corsairs".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_corsairs
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I was talking about the original meaning of the word Corsair not the company Corsair

...yes. I know.

Is something being loss in translation?
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Since your already here CorsairGeorge, i would like to ask you a question regarding the OEM selections. how come i've never seen a corsair unit made by Delta Electronics? as far as i'm concerned, all the delta based units i've used or bought for friends no matter high end or low end have been great and very reliable. is there something that Delta has that would make partnering with them a bad idea?


P.S Im in no intention of offending anyone here.

Thanks.
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