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My quest to find the "perfect" 21:9 display has been interesting. I thought I'd share a few thoughts for anyone else that might be interested in these.

A little background - I've had numerous 120hz/144hz monitors dating back to the original Samsung 2233RZ. 120hz is an absolute game changer if you're an FPS player, but I've never been able to get past the color issues of TN. I've also had a surround setup but scrapped it because it's such a huge space requirement on my desk. So when these 21:9 displays first debuted I was very interested in them as a nice "compromise" between a single display and eyefinity/surround.

I've since tried a few and I've jotted down my thoughts below.

LG 29EA73
Pros
  • Even backlighting
  • No input lag
  • No noticeable ghosting
  • No dead pixels
  • Can OC to 75hz

Cons
  • PWM backlighting (ended up returning it because of this)
  • OSD was fairly intuitive but the touch sensitive controls were a pain to use - overly sensitive so I kept selecting things by accident



AOC Q2963PM
Pros
  • No PWM
  • Backlighting was fine
  • Can OC to 75hz
  • OSD was pretty easy to use and it has physical buttons on the side of the display. The power light is also on the side which makes it a bit less noticeable.

Cons
  • Noticeable input lag (there may be different revisions of this display, but the one I got was horrible (I ordered from Newegg))
  • Two dead pixels in the upper right corner
  • There seemed to be some ghosting
  • A minor complaint, but due to the way the monitor is made the inputs are in the "neck" of the display so it's a big strange when VESA mounting it. Because of the hinge on the back the display always wanted to tilt upward a bit



ASUS PB298Q
Pros
  • No PWM
  • No input lag
  • No ghosting
  • Good backlighting
  • No dead pixels
  • Can OC to 75hz
  • Best OSD out of the bunch, physical buttons. Two of the buttons double as dedicated buttons for quickly accessing settings. One allows for quick control of brightness, the other for volume. There's also a button for quickly changing the "Splendid" presets like most other ASUS displays have.

Cons
  • Only negative here is there is a yellow tinted "blob" in the center of the screen. It's pretty noticeable on white backgrounds, especially when browsing since most web content is in the middle of the screen where the discoloration is.

So for me the ASUS PB298Q is by far the best of the bunch, though right now I'm debating on whether or not I want to exchange it. As everyone knows, the biggest risk is that next time I get one with terrible backlighting or dead pixels. But the yellow is pretty annoying and doesn't really belong on a $500 display IMO.



In the end I have to say that I'm a huge fan of the format. To me it really is a nice compromise without taking up so much room on my desk. It also seems that these newer IPS panels are on par with any 60hz TN panel in terms of responsiveness. No, it is not as smooth as a 120hz display but games have never looked better thanks to the amazing colors. I'll be sticking with it until the 34" versions start coming out (or if there's something mind blowing shown at CES next week smile.gif)

As far as system performance goes, I ran FRAPS while playing BF4 on a 64 man server. Framerates were pretty much pegged in the 70s with my system. BF4 was set to the Ultra preset. System specs:

i5 2500K @ 4.4
8GB RAM (DDR3 1600)
R9 290
256GB Samsung 840 SSD
    
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Very interesting (and useful) feedback. smile.gif

Regarding 'ghosting' on the q2963Pm what 'Overdrive' setting were you using? Did you test at 60Hz or 75Hz (or both) when concluding this? The unit I reviewed was not held back by its pixel response times at 60Hz, but it also had very little input lag. Same story with PRAD's unit really. Could be some differences with different revisions.

I've also had a quick go with the PB298Q myself. Not enough for a full review, unfortunately. It was a strong performer and I agree with most of your points. If you keep 'TraceFree' at the default (60) there is some fairly significant 'overshoot' (inverse ghosting), though, so when you say 'no ghosting' I will assume either you lowered this or you're not sensitive to inverse ghosting. The colours aren't set up as well from a technical perspective (odd gamma curve) as on the AOC, but for general purpose use and gaming it gives a very nice image. Lots of variety, good depth to colours. I also liked the build quality and it's worth noting that uniformity and the 'yellow blob' issue (like the dead pixels you noticed on the AOC) are all variables between units and not specific to the models themselves. I'm sure you realise this, but others reading this might not.

As a general point I completely agree with you about the format. It's a joy to use and gives a really unique and enjoyable experience in games and movies. Not one I expected to enjoy as much as I do. smile.gif
Edited by PCM2 - 1/2/14 at 11:45am
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Very interesting (and useful) feedback. smile.gif

Regarding 'ghosting' on the q2963Pm what 'Overdrive' setting were you using? Did you test at 60Hz or 75Hz (or both) when concluding this? The unit I reviewed was not held back by its pixel response times at 60Hz, but it also had very little input lag. Same story with PRAD's unit really. Could be some differences with different revisions.

I've also had a quick go with the PB298Q myself. Not enough for a full review, unfortunately. It was a strong performer and I agree with most of your points. If you keep 'TraceFree' at the default (60) there is some fairly significant 'overshoot' (inverse ghosting), though, so when you say 'no ghosting' I will assume either you lowered this or you're not sensitive to inverse ghosting. The colours aren't set up as well from a technical perspective (odd gamma curve) as on the AOC, but for general purpose use and gaming it gives a very nice image. Lots of variety, good depth to colours. I also liked the build quality and it's worth noting that uniformity and the 'yellow blob' issue (like the dead pixels you noticed on the AOC) are all variables between units and not specific to the models themselves. I'm sure you realise this, but others reading this might not.

As a general point I completely agree with you about the format. It's a joy to use and gives a really unique and enjoyable experience in games and movies. Not one I expected to enjoy as much as I do. smile.gif

Good points about the dead pixels and yellow tint. I definitely didn't mean to suggest that every AOC/ASUS would have those issues.

I did lower the trace free setting of the ASUS, but I will say that I don't think I'm terribly sensitive to the overshoot. The difference between 60 and 40 or 20 seemed small to me, though the lower settings seemed to be a bit "better". Everything here is totally subjective and just my thoughts and opinions. You have me curious now though - I'll play around with it tonight and see if I can notice a difference.

I think if you could guarantee that you would get a "correct" revision that the AOC would be the way to go. If I had I definitely would've kept it, even with the dead pixels. When looking at reviews it seemed that Tom's Hardware got one of the models with high input lag as well. The "ghosting" I saw on it could've totally been placebo influenced by the fact that the mouse movement was so slow. I almost ordered another AOC as a replacement but didn't want to risk getting another display with the crazy input lag. Every review I could find of the two ASUS models mentioned low input lag so I felt it would be a safer bet. The AOC is much cheaper though so it's definitely worth considering.
    
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Hi Major

Sorry I know this thread has been quiet for a while, just wanted to ask a question of a BP298q owner.

Im desperatley trying to decide between the PB278q (which is WQHD res) and the 298q. The rig is 100% gaming focussed, plus the occasional word processing and web browsing, but 80% gaming. My rig is fairly beastly and can drive one of these things no probs.

I'm very intrigued by the 21:9 format although I know some games don't support it and some require some fiddling in the config files etc to get it working. Just want to see if you are still enjoying the PB298q and if you would still recommend it as a stand alone / single monitor set up.

Thanks heaps.
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A little background - I've had numerous 120hz/144hz monitors dating back to the original Samsung 2233RZ. 120hz is an absolute game changer if you're an FPS player, but I've never been able to get past the color issues of TN. I've also had a surround setup but scrapped it because it's such a huge space requirement on my desk. So when these 21:9 displays first debuted I was very interested in them as a nice "compromise" between a single display and eyefinity/surround.

Have you considered a receiver with a nice sound bar under the monitor?
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