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Originally Posted by WarpPrism View Post

Looking at the specs on the TC14PE, it seems like the 140TS with a PWM adapter, looking at RPM and other things.
As I already said, the first TC14PEs' came with PH-F140TS fans. Last spring they changed to PH-F140HP fans. Both use "PWM External Adaptor" and a 3pin Y-splitter to power the fans.
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Originally Posted by ehume View Post

Review here.

PWM works by increasing the width of the pulses from 0 to 100%. That then translates to fan speed. I don't know whether the Voltage goingfrom the PCB to the fan changes or the signal to the motor changes. But the PWM signal to the PCB is 5 Volts. Steady 5v = 100%. Grounded PWM line = 0% duty, which means 0 RPM on Noctua and Enermax fans, alow but irreducable speed on some other fans, or full speed on yet other fans.

I cover the Phanteks "PWM Hub" in the above review. At 10% PWM duty the hub put out 3.5-4 Volts. At 100% around 11.5+ Volts. It's really an elegant way to control fans -- expecially since you can get a boost from the PSU.

Phanteks used to make a separate PWM-to-Voltage converter that you could get for free -- if you had bought their tandem tower heatsink and asked for the converter. I don't know about now, however.
Thanks.
New "PWM Hub" is PWM to variable voltage.
PH-TC14PE still has "PWM External Adaptor" listed on component list.
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Originally Posted by WarpPrism View Post

On the product page as well as on Newegg it says the TC14PE includes "1x PWM External Adaptor," is this what you are talking about? The one for 2x 3-pin fan connection to 4-pin PWM connection.
Indeed
The "1x PWM External Adaptor" is 4pin in and 3pin out.. 3pin out hooks to 3pin Y-splitter to fans.
Look at the fans on new PH-TC14PE. They should have black rubber in mounting holes and are PH-F140HP fans.

So if PH-F140HP are 4-pin PWM why is the "1x PWM External Adapter" and the "2x 3-pin fan connection" for?


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According to HiTech review of PH-F140HP
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Past models of Phanteks 140mm were strictly 3-pin, with PWM adapters included in their cooler kits. However, the F140HP is 600-1300rpm PWM controlled right out of the box using a brushless DC motor for lower resonance and better rotational stability.
http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/heatsinks/37600-phanteks-f140hp

Here the PH-F140HP / TS is 3-pin
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page4.html

Here's an image of one of my PH-F140HP? on PH-TC14PE box showing "1x External P.W.M Adaptor" and "1x Y Fan Splitter"


Maybe the individually sold PH-F140HP is not the same PH-F140HP as included with PH-TC14PE? confused.gif
Edited by doyll - 1/5/14 at 11:02am
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I really don't know... I guess I would just go off the specs on Newegg/Phanteks website.
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Originally Posted by WarpPrism View Post

Well it's only 1200 RPM, so it shouldn't be too loud (excellent fan nonetheless).

And @JackNaylorPE, why are you not In this thread? I thought you were Phanteks's #1 fan. tongue.gif

I haven't looked at my mail in 4 days :0

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Originally Posted by SQBubble View Post

Looking for a case fan 140mm , there is simply too much freakin choice im going crazy, some say that, others that, in 2 reviews though the phanteks 140hp seems like a very solid fan for the price (silentpcreview and the most comprehensive fan thread here)

the thing is that i dont see much people using them at all.... i dont know if its the marketing effect or if its simply because there are actually better fans out there (noise/performance wise)

They were only released around Halloween


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Originally Posted by ebhsimon View Post

I have a fan controller built into my case (5v, 7v, 12v).
Would the HP and SP both work with the 3pin fan controller?
I would much rather have the SP as it is rated as a slightly higher CFM and static pressure while producing the same level of noise.

In Australia the Phanteks HP/SP are $20, while the Noctua NF-A14 are $29 each, If the Phanteks are as quiet as the Noctua (I've got a NH-D14 and the included fans are incredibly quiet) then I'd be completely happy to get the Phanteks.

They are quieter




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I'm going to get these along with it: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=13162

Also, I'm going to get the PWM fans and hook them up to my fan controller built into the fractal arc midi r2 fan controller. But to save the original fan controller connectors I'm also buying splitters so i can cut the plastic shroud off (which is what prevents you from sticking a 4pin fan into a 3pin).
That way if I ever need some nice PWM fans I can just use these Phanteks 140HP.
That's true, the cooling comparison isn't fair, but the noise shouldn't be too different.

Not needed.....the Phanteks boxed fans come with rubber vibration isolators pre-installed on both sides.....the case fans that come in the case however are missing them....but they will ship them to you if ya ask.


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Phanteks has a new PWM controlled hub for 3pin fans in it's new Enthoo Primo case that everybody likes.. but won't be available separately for another month or two.

What happened to January sale date ? guess I better check the forums.


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I cover the Phanteks "PWM Hub" in the above review. At 10% PWM duty the hub put out 3.5-4 Volts. At 100% around 11.5+ Volts. It's really an elegant way to control fans -- expecially since you can get a boost from the PSU.

Unfortunately, with my two CPU headers occupied by two pumps, I have to use the Chassis 4 pin headers .... and when ya plug the hub into one of those and add the 12v Molex connection, all fans go full speed....would love a way around that.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 1/6/14 at 9:21am
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JackNaylorPE, with your hub running the fans at 100% how loud are the case fans? I have the same case and am probably going to end up doing exactly what you are ddoing. By build won't look nearly as good as yours, but... Just would like to know. Rad fans are a different subject. I really don't believe the case fans will be an issue. They seem very quiet.
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Phanteks has a new PWM controlled hub for 3pin fans in it's new Enthoo Primo case that everybody likes.. but won't be available separately for another month or two.

What happened to January sale date ? guess I better check the forums.
Last I heard was 12/27/2013. Was told "think packaging PWM hubs is nearly done. Hopefully be hitting the market some time in the beginning of 2014." 2-4 weeks on boat and another couple to and from boat.. tongue.gif

I first asked Phanteks about the PWM PCB hub specs and load limits before case was released and than asked again when case was released, than again a month latter, and again, and again.... rolleyes.gif

Now it looks like they might have slipped PWM into the F140HP replacement for the F140TS on PH-TC14PE coolers last spring... but website says F140HP has "Speed Settings by PWM Adapter".. and "Speed Sensor 4 pins"....

Have to wonder what they are doing. Seems the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. rolleyes.gif
Edited by doyll - 1/6/14 at 10:03am
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JackNaylorPE, with your hub running the fans at 100% how loud are the case fans? I have the same case and am probably going to end up doing exactly what you are ddoing. By build won't look nearly as good as yours, but... Just would like to know. Rad fans are a different subject. I really don't believe the case fans will be an issue. They seem very quiet.

They are not running at 100%. I have to override the fan control (Asus Fan Xpert 2) to make them do that. I'm using a double pump so both my PWM CPU fan headers are occupied. Using the CHA fan headers which are 4 pin, and tho few are aware of this....mostly NOT PWM, using the 12v supply to the hub results in all fans going full speed. So Im waiting for them to make additional fan hubs available (was supposed to be January release).

HUB 1 to control rad fans
HUB 2 to control case fans

May add a hub 3 to separate top and bot rad fans

Using Fan Xpert2 my fans almost never break 860 rpm.....at that point completely inaudible.....can detect them at about 965..... at 1200 they lower than PSU fan


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Last I heard was 12/27/2013. Was told "think packaging PWM hubs is nearly done. Hopefully be hitting the market some time in the beginning of 2014." 2-4 weeks on boat and another couple to and from boat..

Thanks...I'll keep nagging in forum smile.gif
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Hey Jack, is it possible for you to use a PWM splitter for the pumps and run them off one header? I am sure you have already thought of this but I was just wondering why you weren't.
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Hey Jack, is it possible for you to use a PWM splitter for the pumps and run them off one header? I am sure you have already thought of this but I was just wondering why you weren't.

1. The pump comes with one..... but to be able to "read" the speed of the 2nd pump, you have to connect it to something.

2. The goal is to have 3 or 4 separate speed profiles.

a) Pumps
b) Case Fans
c) Bottom rad fans
d) Top rad fans

If i connect the 2nd pump to a CHA fan header and use CPU_2 for the fan hub, then I am stuck with a single speed profile for all 10 fans and pumps.
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1. The pump comes with one..... but to be able to "read" the speed of the 2nd pump, you have to connect it to something.

2. The goal is to have 3 or 4 separate speed profiles.

a) Pumps
b) Case Fans
c) Bottom rad fans
d) Top rad fans

If i connect the 2nd pump to a CHA fan header and use CPU_2 for the fan hub, then I am stuck with a single speed profile for all 10 fans and pumps.

Oh right since the CPU_1 and CPU_2 are supposed to be for 2 fans on the same cooler... so they run at the same PWM, which would be annoying. That makes sense.
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In the past I have taken this Y-cable and modded it. It wears like iron, and has the RPM-reporting line in both arms. I would reach through the sleeving, cut the wire, pull it out and attach it to its own plug. Before I learned to crimp my own plugs, I would take the RPM-reporting line and plug from a Molex-to-3pin adapter; I have lots from Scythe fans.

 

The mod would allow me to power more than one fan and still have the RPM's of each.

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