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As an owner of five 4P rigs (Intel e5-4650s & e5-4640s, 2x AMD 6166HEs, and 1x AMD 6176), one 2P rig (AMD 6124HE), and a 10 GPUs (4x 560Ti's, 2x 580s, 2x 7950s, and a 680 and 780), I will say the following:

  1. Stay away from AMD 2P rigs...not worth the money or the power draw...and bad PPD
  2. As already mentioned, 4Ps, the older models, are power hogs and moderately expensive initially. The new E5-4xxx v2 (4P) and E5-2xxx v2 (2P) series are good, much more power efficient, but more expensive right now (CPUs) unless you get lucky (prices will come down eventually). My rigs vary from $2k (AMD) to $4k (Intel) and the power runs from 700w-880w for each of the 4Ps
  3. 4Ps and 2Ps are strictly for folding...GPUs can either Fold or BOINC. AndyE runs mostly GPUs if I'm right, he's a GPU farmer, and he's putting up impressive numbers folding due to the large number of GPUs he's using; but if he switched over to BOINC, he'd be putting up astronomical numbers. For example, since I started BOINC'ing in early December I've put up over 80m credits; with GPU folding, I'd probably be around 450k credits. Now that I do both, Fold and BOINC, I kind of like the ability to go back and forth between the two
  4. If you decide to go with GPUs, go with at least the 780 or 780Ti (nVidia) or the 7970 or R9 290x (AMD)...and even then, I'd think of water cooling the GPUs since the GPUs get rather hot compared to the CPUs--my CPUs never get even remotely warm, even OC'd, so they aren't water cooled
  5. GPUs don't require a dedicated server case/chassis...4P machines do unless you go with something like a Spotswood bench setup, or run "naked" as I do with some of my rigs; or, you could splurge and buy a dedicated server case but expect to pay upwards of $500 if you do. The only benefit of a dedicated server chassis is dual, redundant, power supplies...something that you don't get with a naked build or a Spotswood bench. Oh, and the downfall is the server fan noise unless you go active coolers vice passive heatsinks


If I did it all over again, I'd probably go with just a couple of 4Ps, my Intels, and then go strictly GPUs after that in some small 3570K or 2600K systems. If you want impressive folding numbers, by all means go with either a 4P or 2P, either the v1's or the v2's; but if you want to be able to switch back and forth between Folding and BOINC'ing, pull less power, put up with lower PPD (and credits), and also be able to play games at impressive frame rates, go the GPU route.
   
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Can someone elaborate what 4p is? I absolutely know about Nvidia 780 but i assume were talking Graphics cards one for folding one for gaming, I have never heard of 4P ?
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Originally Posted by Jedson3614 View Post

Can someone elaborate what 4p is? I absolutely know about Nvidia 780 but i assume were talking Graphics cards one for folding one for gaming, I have never heard of 4P ?

The number of CPUs...

Four Processors = 4P
Two Processors = 2P

See my sig rigs...
   
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Belated Xmas present to myself! A Killawatt!

Soooo, On an p8104 my AMD 6386SE ES 4P (64cores @3.2GHz) pulls

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~875Watts.


Considering I pull ~800k ppd on that project (and all p8102-8105s for that matter) my 4p nets around 915 PPW.

Keep in mind that that power consumption figure includes my monitor, illuminated keyboard, 20 fans, a d5 pump running full blast, temp sensors, and a completely un-necessary 8400gs gpu.

Conclusion : Intel 2Ps (such as ZDngrfld's, arvidab's, TBM1's, Donkey1514's, anubis1127's, DizZz's etc.) are a more efficient design PPD/W, but 4p's are more fun. drunken.gif

Quite impressive actually, far less than my MC tbh (last I checked it was in the 1100W region, 820-860k PPD is what I get on 8102-8105). I do wanna sell that, any takers? tongue.gif
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post #25 of 36
im also going to be selling my 4P. sad to see it go.
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@navynuke499: How much are we talking? @arvidab I'm assuming the shipping costs for yours would be out of the question. I'm not sure what it would actually cost, though...


Send me some PMs guys and let me know.
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So its not worth folding on a CPU anymore?
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I'll join, selling my 2665s
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So its not worth folding on a CPU anymore?
Depends on the CPU(s)... I get almost 500k PPD out of my V2 Xeons at less than 400 watts.
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I'll join, selling my 2665s
If I wasn't looking to buy some V2s for my other 2011 rig, I'd hit you up
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So its not worth folding on a CPU anymore?

Well, yes it is. Just gotta be the right stuff. wink.gif

GPU's still can't beat (the right) CPU's in terms of PPD/W. Stanford is shifting focus more and more to GPU's these days, so who know what the situation is gonna be like in 6-12 months.
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