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Just wanted to throw in 2cents.gif

A good rule of thumb is 1x120mm of rad space pr. heat unit +120(+another 120 for OC).
CPU, 4xGPU, Mobo/ram/Aquaero(Combined since they dont produce that much heat),
120 + 4x120 + 120 + 120 (+120) = 960

And you have 1540/1800 + the ones you are looking at are thicker than the ones in "rule of thumb" and if you are planing on running push/pull, you will have NO heat problems what so ever! I doubt you will even need push/pull
However, Im not sure how hot 780/titan gets.. so better add another 120 on that account? but you would still have more rad space than needed.
As for the silence: with that amount of rad space, you could get youself a fan controller to quiet down the fans a bit (Im running 8-900rpm in my setup for "dead silence" - 1440mm of rad ;D)

Ya gotta throw the "rule of thumb" out the window with 300 + watt GFX cards.... the rule says 120mm for each of the 4 cards = 4 x 120 ????

Let's look at that .....

4 x 325 watts = 1300 watts

A UT60 gives ya 108 watts per 120mm @ a rather loud 1800 rpm.... 4 x 108 = 432 watts or just 33% of the heat load.

Tho another way to look at it is a 780 Ti / 390x is equal to 2 "regulah" GFX cards ..... 4 cards x 2 = 8 x 120 or 864 watts .... thatz 66% of the heat load.

Thickness really doesn't do much for ya .... a Monsta takes ya from 108 watts to 113 watts per 120mm ..... Push / Pull.... again, while of greater effect that rad thickness I estimate push / pull at 21% but could be as low as 10% depending on the fans and rads used.
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Ya gotta throw the "rule of thumb" out the window with 300 + watt GFX cards.... the rule says 120mm for each of the 4 cards = 4 x 120 ????

Let's look at that .....

4 x 325 watts = 1300 watts

A UT60 gives ya 108 watts per 120mm @ a rather loud 1800 rpm.... 4 x 108 = 432 watts or just 33% of the heat load.

Tho another way to look at it is a 780 Ti / 390x is equal to 2 "regulah" GFX cards ..... 4 cards x 2 = 8 x 120 or 864 watts .... thatz 66% of the heat load.

Thickness really doesn't do much for ya .... a Monsta takes ya from 108 watts to 113 watts per 120mm ..... Push / Pull.... again, while of greater effect that rad thickness I estimate push / pull at 21% but could be as low as 10% depending on the fans and rads used.

Im probably wrong here..
325? where do you get those numbers? I only see 250watt.. do they eat that much more when OCed?
and I did say to add an extra 120 due to extra heat, and even if we gave each card 2x120mm, he would still be over the "rule"
8x120(4GPU)+4x120(CPU, Extra, OC, and ram/mobo etc)=1440mm
remaining: 360mm (3x120) and yet you say he will be at 90something%?

and 108 to 113watt, where do you get those numbers?
I find that UT60 in push config at 2000 rpm is about 300watt dispersal? cant find anything about Monsta though. :S

Im not trying to start a war here smile.gif just find those numbers vary curious! they land soo fare away from "rune of thumb" that many on here are using and with 35mm rad rather than the 60-80mm we are playing with here.
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480 + 480 + 480 + 360 = 1800
multiply by width of rad/fan 120
1800 x 120 = 216000

560 + 560 + 420 = 1540 x140 = 215600
Hmm.. shouldnt thickness be accounted for too?
Monsta: 560*140*80=6272cm3
UT60:560*140*60=4707cm3
25% more surface

And absolutelymods, what case are you building in? having a hard time imagining all those rads in one cabinet tongue.gif sounds awesome!
 
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you dont add the thickness into total fan/rad area. the thickness of the rad compares in no way to frontal space that a fan occupies. jack's numbers are off to a degree but not enough to sit and try to correct a few watts here and a few watts there. the chart that was constructed with all the data for alphacool rads is based on a 10*C delta which is what should be aimed for when creating a loop. it is also based on fans at specific rpm/static pressure.
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The key here is that the radiator dissipates 150 watts at a specific deltaT of (say) 10 degrees.
If more than 150 watts is pumped into the system the water temperature will start to rise. At this point the deltaT will thus get larger as well, and therefore the radiator will be able to transfer more heat onto the passing air.

Bottom line: It won't cause your CPU to overheat, it will only run 1 or 2 degrees hotter.

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When you see a chart, as above, where there are amounts of heat dissipation in watts for various fan speeds, that's against a reference of the outlet water being a specified amount of degrees hotter than the ambient air. . . . Usually 10C


As the water gets hotter than the air by increasing amounts, such that the gradient between the water and air increases, then the rad will dissipate more watts at that higher gradient.

In other words, if your CPU is a 170W heat load, and the rad dissipates 150W at a 10C gradient, then to dissipate the 170W heat load, the gradient will rise, and the water will end up at maybe 13 to 15C above the ambient air.


Hope that helps,

Darlene

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aah yes smile.gif was not meant as a correction. just to point out that the thicker rad have a bigger surface area for air to pass over.. not a rad areal / fans smile.gif

but I realize that I might just confuse OP more than I help.. was not the plan.
My point is that I doubt OP will need more rad space even for the 4GPU setup.

*edit*
Just saw your quotes.. im in way over my head on this one smile.gif "rule of thumb" doesn't seam to apply here smile.gif
Better leave it to the professionals tongue.gif

Anyways, Good luck on the project! and remember to add pics when you get that fare ^^ Im subbed
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i personally would go with 10x 120mm. i also wouldnt waste time and money to cool ram. 2 ram blocks will do nothing but add restriction and add to the price. being x79 chipset he will benefit from cooling the motherboard.
and the actual water coolers rule is, "add as many radiators to your case as you can fit, then add more. you can never have too many rads."

but absolutely wants to use 3x 480 + 1x 360 or 2x 560 + 1x 420. either way its enough to cool what he wants as they both equal roughly 15x 120mm fans. and he should be able to do that VERY quietly.
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Im probably wrong here..
325? where do you get those numbers? I only see 250watt.. do they eat that much more when OCed?

Use the PSU calculator below and you will see the 84 TDP Haswell goes to 135 watts at 4.6 GH1.38 VID .... (which can hit 1.44 - 1.48 peak) but even at 1.38, that's 135 watts .... So an 18% OC uses 61% more power.
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

So what do ya think a 25% OC on the cards gonna do ? Even if ya do a straight line 25% .... that would be 317 watts ...325 is conservative for 25% OC.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_780_ti_gaming_review,7.html
254 watts and yes, it goes up exponentially when overlocking .... one rule of thumb I once read for GPUs is take the % OC and square it to get the ratio between stock and OC.... at a 25% OC, that would be 1.56...... I used half that at 1.28 ... so again, quite conservative.
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and I did say to add an extra 120 due to extra heat,

Spent that on the OC'd CPU and (ya forgot) the 2 pumps
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and even if we gave each card 2x120mm, he would still be over the "rule"
8x120(4GPU)+4x120(CPU, Extra, OC, and ram/mobo etc)=1440mm
remaining: 360mm (3x120) and yet you say he will be at 90something%?

Look up "Rule of Thumb" on wiki.... documents first usage as indicative of a guess.......works OK in the middle, not so much at the ends..... and this rule has been around since the days when we didn't have a pair of 75 - 150 watt cables connected to our vid cards so today's applicability is seriously suspect.
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A rule of thumb is a principle with broad application that is not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable for every situation....... The earliest citation comes from J. Durham’s Heaven upon Earth, 1685, ii. 217: ".......foolish builders, who build by guess, and by rule of thumb.
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and 108 to 113watt, where do you get those numbers?

martins and xtremesystems web sites ...


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I find that UT60 in push config at 2000 rpm is about 300watt dispersal? cant find anything about Monsta though. :S

If you are talking a UT60 x 360, I'll agree .....same number ....108 and 113 are "per 120mm"...... so when talking abut a 360mm rad .... 360 = 3 x 120 so 3x 108 watts = 324 or 3 x 113 watts = 339 ....my 324 and 339 would therefore be comparable to your 300 ?
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Im not trying to start a war here smile.gif just find those numbers vary curious! they land soo fare away from "rune of thumb" that many on here are using and with 35mm rad rather than the 60-80mm we are playing with here.

Again....look up definition of rule of thumb....how can the same rule apply to the following:

2 x 780 Ti @ 325 watts each = 650 watts
2 x 650 Ti Boost @ 165 watts each = 330 watts

Now with factor of 2 to 1 between those two loads, how could it in any way be possible that the same "rule of thumb" will work in both instances ? Based upon your 300 watts for a 2000 rpm 360 rad (my 324-339) you'd need one 360 rad to cover 100% load for the 650 Tis and two 360 rads for the 780s..... the "rule of thumb" can't be a "rule" that is applied to the extreme ends cause no rule can possibly 'work" when the load differences differ by a factor of 2 to 1.

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Hmm.. shouldnt thickness be accounted for too?
Monsta: 560*140*80=6272cm3
UT60:560*140*60=4707cm3
25% more surface

Sounds logical but doesn't come out in real world testing ....again these are real numbers. Martin (30, 45 and 60) and xtremesystems (Monsta) tested the rads and this is what they got for a 360 rad at 1400 rpm.... a 50% increase in thickness from a 30 to a 45mm gets you a measly 2.5% increase in cooling. At the other end, a 43% increase in thickness from the UT to the Monsta nets a mere 6% increase in cooling.

30mm thick Alphacool = 199 watts
45mm thick Alphacool = 204 watts
60mm thick Alphacool = 210 watts
86mm thick Alphacool = 223 watts

To make things easier for estimating, all I did was say .... well a single 120 should do perty darn close to 1/3 of a 360 and a 240mm should do perty close to 2/3 of a 360. It's not exact....the smaller ones will do slightly better due to larger shroud area...... but it's a helluva lot more accurate than the "rule of thumb". Now for his application which is stated to be "quiet", he is not going to have 2200, 1800 or even 1400 rpm fans..... 1250 is not even "quiet".

My thought here in writing this ouyt was, to save from having to do it again, save myself from RSI and make a convenient place for people to access the data and the reasoning behind it, I put it in its own thread....

http://www.overclock.net/t/1457426/radiator-size-estimator

If ya still have questions or find holes in the logic / math, let me know and i will try and fix ASAP.
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yea, no.. sounds like you have a good hold on the long end here smile.gif
My 300watt was for 120.. saw someware that a UT60 120x240x60 did 670watt so therefore 300+ for a 120x120. but cant for the life of me find where i got those numbers again frown.gif


Just glad I overdid my own setup tongue.gif a 1080rad (phobya) +240+120 and getting a DT of 4-5 degrees after hours of folding / gaming smile.gif
Sadly my GPU has taken a turn for the worse and might have to replace it with 780 or 780ti maybe switching to 290X.. hard to choose tongue.gif but atleast I should have cooling to support this upgrade tongue.gif
 
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Hey ALL of you thanks a lot for all of your feedback. I really have to read some of the comments a few times to really understand. Especially comments about wattages and voltages. That said, I appreciate it because it does give me the technical side of the components.

@GaMbi2004 asked what case I will be building in and I really only decided today that I will be doing it in the Case Labs STH10.

For those of you who have been reading and have suggested cases like the Corsair 900D and the Case Labs TH10, thanks a lot. After careful consideration, I have decided that esthetics and space will be contributing to the strategies behind the build. I mentioned above that I had 2 ideas, the 140 and the 120. Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to have used 3 x 560s and a 420 but if I want to use the STH10 I don't have a hope. I think I may have to go with either Noise Blocker PK-PS, Silverstone FHP141 or Noctua NF-A15 PWM. Now it's back to the drawing board. What you guys think.

Also I thought I would show you a boring pic of the parts I purchased a week and a bit ago. In fact the first parts to the build. Like I said the rads are next then the case, fans, blah blah blah.

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What a monster ^^
If you wanna go all out, go for 3x480 (for the top) and 2x360 (for the bottom with PSU) - 18x120mm ^^
I dont know if this has changed, but good 140mm fans are hard to find.. 120mm is the better choice imo. or 120mm fans and 120->140mm shroud if you want the big 140mm rads.
with 18 120mm, I doubt you will need push pull.
Noctua NF-A15 PWM are keeping my system cool at 900rpm(push) witch is next to silent. but all the fans you linked are decent.

Thoughts:
Get a water temp sensor.
Have you thought about water / adjectives? If your system is mainly brass / copper, I would go for cheap mall distilled water and a few silver kill coils.
I had goo problems when running "ultra pure" + adjective.. changed to the cheap stuff + 2 silver coils and havent seen ANY particles after that smile.gif
 
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What a monster ^^
If you wanna go all out, go for 3x480 (for the top) and 2x360 (for the bottom with PSU) - 18x120mm ^^
I dont know if this has changed, but good 140mm fans are hard to find.. 120mm is the better choice imo. or 120mm fans and 120->140mm shroud if you want the big 140mm rads.
with 18 120mm, I doubt you will need push pull.
Noctua NF-A15 PWM are keeping my system cool at 900rpm(push) witch is next to silent. but all the fans you linked are decent.

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Get a water temp sensor.
Have you thought about water / adjectives? If your system is mainly brass / copper, I would go for cheap mall distilled water and a few silver kill coils.
I had goo problems when running "ultra pure" + adjective.. changed to the cheap stuff + 2 silver coils and havent seen ANY particles after that smile.gif

Thanks for that. Do you mean for the top one on each side and one at the top for the rads? Sounds good. Also sounds good for the bottom. As long as it fits nice and not too tight I am happy. For memory the rads are 80mm wide, damn monsters!! In terms of coolant, TBH until just then I had never heard of silver coils, i just looked them up, look good. I have intentions of getting a couple of bitspower temp sensors to run off the Aquaero and in terms of the coolant itself all I thought was the Mayhem pure white pastel with a very slight hint of blue because I am going completely white for the liquid. Pure white / uv LED cold cathodes or something and acrylic and crystal links. For the fittings all bits power compression, extension and rotary fittings, taps and quick disconnects 1/2 inch. I like your idea of the 2 smaller rads in the bottom btw as I will have a heap of either bits power x stations or mod my toys beds and the PSU. Thanks for that.
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2 x Bitspower Black Sparkle 30mm Extender (G1/4")  29 x Black Noise Black Silent Pro PL-2 120mm fans 4 x Bitspower Black Sparkle Temperature Sensors... 6 x Bitspower Black Sparkle Triple Rotary Snake... 
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Bitspower Dual D5 Mod Top Koolance PMP450 x 2 Bitspower Upgrade Kit 250 Bitspower Water Tank Z-CAP II With G1/4" x3 POM 
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