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yea, no.. sounds like you have a good hold on the long end here smile.gif
My 300watt was for 120.. saw someware that a UT60 120x240x60 did 670watt so therefore 300+ for a 120x120. but cant for the life of me find where i got those numbers again frown.gif


Just glad I overdid my own setup tongue.gif a 1080rad (phobya) +240+120 and getting a DT of 4-5 degrees after hours of folding / gaming smile.gif
Sadly my GPU has taken a turn for the worse and might have to replace it with 780 or 780ti maybe switching to 290X.. hard to choose tongue.gif but atleast I should have cooling to support this upgrade tongue.gif

Martins shows that for a 360 so must be a typo

This may help on GFX card choices .... OC'd benchmarks at like 8 minute mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djvZaHHU4I8


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What a monster ^^
If you wanna go all out, go for 3x480 (for the top) and 2x360 (for the bottom with PSU) - 18x120mm ^^
I dont know if this has changed, but good 140mm fans are hard to find.. 120mm is the better choice imo. or 120mm fans and 120->140mm shroud if you want the big 140mm rads.
with 18 120mm, I doubt you will need push pull.
Noctua NF-A15 PWM are keeping my system cool at 900rpm(push) witch is next to silent. but all the fans you linked are decent.

Thoughts:
Get a water temp sensor.
Have you thought about water / adjectives? If your system is mainly brass / copper, I would go for cheap mall distilled water and a few silver kill coils.
I had goo problems when running "ultra pure" + adjective.. changed to the cheap stuff + 2 silver coils and havent seen ANY particles after that smile.gif

18 months ago, I would have argued that 120mm rads were better cause they mounted 120mm fans, but the 120mm dominance in the fan arena has evaporated with the newer designs as was shown in the 140mm fan's dominance in the SPCR testing....where 5 of the top 5 and 9 of the top 11 fans were 140mm.



I haven't found any of them to be hard to find tho the Antec wud be off my list for the ticking noise. The 120s are at an inherent disadvantage due to the larger % area of 'dead space" behind the motor. At all speeds up to 1750 or so, I'd be inclined to use 140's.... at 2000, 2500 and such, i think I'd go with the 120s.

But since he's talking a "quiet" system meaning < 1250 rpm, the 120s are just at a huge disadvantage not even counting the extra noise ya get from needing 36% more of them than ya do with 140s.


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Thanks for that. Do you mean for the top one on each side and one at the top for the rads? Sounds good. Also sounds good for the bottom. As long as it fits nice and not too tight I am happy. For memory the rads are 80mm wide, damn monsters!! In terms of coolant, TBH until just then I had never heard of silver coils, i just looked them up, look good. I have intentions of getting a couple of bitspower temp sensors to run off the Aquaero and in terms of the coolant itself all I thought was the Mayhem pure white pastel with a very slight hint of blue because I am going completely white for the liquid. Pure white / uv LED cold cathodes or something and acrylic and crystal links. For the fittings all bits power compression, extension and rotary fittings, taps and quick disconnects 1/2 inch. I like your idea of the 2 smaller rads in the bottom btw as I will have a heap of either bits power x stations or mod my toys beds and the PSU. Thanks for that.

The Monstas are 86mm thick and frankly add little (about 4.5%) to cooling as compared to a 60mm

Mayhems pastel means no silver or anything else ....it's already got everything covered .... adding extra additives would be at least redundant and possibly damaging.

I used 6 BP temp sensors, Top rad In, Top rad Out, Bot rad In, Bot rad Out, Ambient and case Temp and display all the temps on a Reeven Six Eyes

Finally, would love to see this build with rigid acrylic tubing smile.gif
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 1/8/14 at 11:18am
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140mm fan's dominance in the SPCR testing....where 5 of the top 5 and 9 of the top 11 fans were 140mm.

I haven't found any of them to be hard to find tho the Antec wud be off my list for the ticking noise. The 120s are at an inherent disadvantage due to the larger % area of 'dead space" behind the motor. At all speeds up to 1750 or so, I'd be inclined to use 140's.... at 2000, 2500 and such, i think I'd go with the 120s.

But since he's talking a "quiet" system meaning < 1250 rpm, the 120s are just at a huge disadvantage not even counting the extra noise ya get from needing 36% more of them than ya do with 140s.
The Monstas are 86mm thick and frankly add little (about 4.5%) to cooling as compared to a 60mm

Mayhems pastel means no silver or anything else ....it's already got everything covered .... adding extra additives would be at least redundant and possibly damaging.

I used 6 BP temp sensors, Top rad In, Top rad Out, Bot rad In, Bot rad Out, Ambient and case Temp and display all the temps on a Reeven Six Eyes

Finally, would love to see this build with rigid acrylic tubing smile.gif

Gee now I really am going to have to take some time and look at all the options. Especially since I have 1 more purchase to make befoire I buy my rads and then fans. I am waiting for my fittings, temp sensors (which after reading will now up that to some more smile.gif It's just so confusing for me now bc even if I went with say another rad or 4 (560) I would definitely have to go with the TH10 and don't get me wrong that's not a disadvantage. In some respects it is quite the opposite except of course on my desk. Anyhow I will look around and look at your chart. I really appreciate that.

In terms of the rigid acrylic, yes that is what I am using along with crystal link. I'm just not a huge fan off the normal hosing. My dad works for an engineering company so I can have them bent and cleaned professionally no problem. I did not mention this but I am also going to be dong a few small mods on the case. A mounting plate with led cut outs for the dual pump and upgrade 250 res. (How do I determine how big the res I need should be??)
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you dont even need a res.
a res can be as big or as small as you want.

and how does a CL TH10 fit on a desk? monster sized desk...
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you dont even need a res.
a res can be as big or as small as you want.

and how does a CL TH10 fit on a desk? monster sized desk...

Well I sort or meant under but trust me the desk us big enough to have in the corner. Ive seen them on desks and you are right, they are a little big. I just meant to say that the TH was just a bit big for my liking as opposed to the STH which seemed perfect. Anyhow if t has to be the TH then so be it, it's only just wider, and doesn't ship flat packed which adds to the postage and is a pain in the a@#e.
In terms of the res thanks for the advice, I just feel like not having a res would make the system incomplete. As you know I am a beginner and you have just taught me they don't do a thing, so thanks.
So what do you think @pc-literate do i go the 140, 560s and 420 and TH10 or the 120s, 480s and 360 and STH10??
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it depends on your fan choice really. if you want to shop through a short list of fans, buy the 140 version. if you want a long list of choices, go with 120. BUT the best 120 fan you will get for noise/performance is the gentle typhoon ap-15 and they are in very limited stock. when they are gone they are gone. so if you decide to go with 120 and ap-15s, better get the fans now.
and honestly, there are only a few GOOD fans for rads. both lists are actually pretty short.
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I used 6 BP temp sensors, Top rad In, Top rad Out, Bot rad In, Bot rad Out, Ambient and case Temp and display all the temps on a Reeven Six Eyes

I am placing my order for the temp sensors today, should I get 2 per rad then ambient and case (10) I am running Aquaero 6 and x stations / mod my toys board. Or is a set per top and bottom enough then ambient and case (6 like yours).

Sorry to be a pain.
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you are not being a pain. the only way to learn and get questions answered is to ask. being a pain is not taking the answers or advice and then complaining or asking the same questions again. also, not asking a question isnt being a non-pain. its stupid because then you complain something didnt work the way you thought it would or just didnt understand.
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Gee now I really am going to have to take some time and look at all the options. Especially since I have 1 more purchase to make befoire I buy my rads and then fans. I am waiting for my fittings, temp sensors (which after reading will now up that to some more smile.gif It's just so confusing for me now bc even if I went with say another rad or 4 (560) I would definitely have to go with the TH10 and don't get me wrong that's not a disadvantage. In some respects it is quite the opposite except of course on my desk. Anyhow I will look around and look at your chart. I really appreciate that.

In terms of the rigid acrylic, yes that is what I am using along with crystal link. I'm just not a huge fan off the normal hosing. My dad works for an engineering company so I can have them bent and cleaned professionally no problem. I did not mention this but I am also going to be dong a few small mods on the case. A mounting plate with led cut outs for the dual pump and upgrade 250 res. (How do I determine how big the res I need should be??)

The chart is from silentpcreview.com

I chose not to go with crystal link..... it it were me, I'd use a series / parallel arrangement in our instance.... take a look at my routing below.



You see that each card gets 1/2 the flow that the CPU gets cause it is split when it goes to the cards half going each way..... that make sense when ya think about a 75C CPU and a 40C GPU

However w/ 4 cards, I would modify that approach as 1/4 flow to 4 cards would be a bit too much. So numbering the cards 1 thru 4 from top to bottom, I would split the flow with one path going to cards 1 and 2 in series with Crystal Link and the 2nd path going to cards 3 and 4 in series. All 4 cards will see 1/2 the flow that the CPU does. And yes , I would not consider any other pump than the 35x2 for this duty.'

Of course a third option would be ...three loops ....

1. CPU, MoBo, RAM whatever (330 watts) w/ 1250 fans would need little more than a 280 but at this point why not go bigger.
2. Cards 1 and 2 (650 watts) in a Parallel Loop w/ 1250 fans would need two 420s or 560 + 280
3. Cards 3 and 4 (650 watts) in a Parallel Loop w/ 1250 fans would need two 420s or 560 + 280

No, I remember referring you to darlene's build and this gives ya the opportunity for 3 res's and three colors of coolant which you may enjoy.....assuming of course ya have the room.

Take a look at this one.... uses your case CaseLabs TH10 and three 480s for 3 GFX cards smile.gif

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http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=255350

Res's don't need to be big....basically just a place to bleed air..... OTOH, there is one oft overlooked aspect of that they provide is thermal mass..... ya prolly know all about how it takes as much an hour of gaming for a loop to reach steady state....well the bigger the thermal mass (fancy term for mass of volume of coolant) the longer that takes.....Also...your system presents a varying load where tough parts in game put a higher load on the system for periods of time. The more thermal mass you have, the better your system can even out those spikes.


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I am placing my order for the temp sensors today, should I get 2 per rad then ambient and case (10) I am running Aquaero 6 and x stations / mod my toys board. Or is a set per top and bottom enough then ambient and case (6 like yours).

Sorry to be a pain.

Not a PITA at all ..... wasn't long ago I was asking these every same questions.

Im not saying you "should" get anything. Get what strikes ya fancy......of course what you expect to accomplish is another thing. If ya running separate loops with 2 rads in a loop .... is there any value to " to you" knowing what the temps are going outta one and into the other ? If yes, then do it...if not just get one going into 1st and one coming outta 2nd.

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you are not being a pain. the only way to learn and get questions answered is to ask. being a pain is not taking the answers or advice and then complaining or asking the same questions again. also, not asking a question isnt being a non-pain. its stupid because then you complain something didnt work the way you thought it would or just didnt understand.

Spit cofee on my KB when I read that ..... I know who ya talking about ........ nah nah nah nah nah smile.gif
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Spit cofee on my KB when I read that ..... I know who ya talking about ........ nah nah nah nah nah smile.gif

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The chart is from silentpcreview.com

I chose not to go with crystal link..... it it were me, I'd use a series / parallel arrangement in our instance.... take a look at my routing below.

No, I remember referring you to darlene's build and this gives ya the opportunity for 3 res's and three colors of coolant which you may enjoy.....assuming of course ya have the room.

Take a look at this one.... uses your case CaseLabs TH10 and three 480s for 3 GFX cards smile.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVPehMaHgM8
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=255350

I took a look at Darlenes and as much s I would love to go for something like that, I think that may have to be for another build. I see your point though. Your build looks amazing, see if I can get my rig to look half as good as that then I will be proud. SO I decided to get 4 temp valves 1 for smb, then 1 for case then one for res in and then res out. I could be doing the wrong thing, I can always change the positioning when I start. So to the big question, which rad, fan and case. They all really rely on each others choice. I can't just say Ill get a few 560s and work the fans and case out later. What do I get first, dunno? So at least I know that it will be 480s and 120s or 560s and 140s. Wow, then when this has been decided and I have the fans the rads etc oh and the case of course, then comes the GPUs which I know sweet fa about. I think I mentioned I'll be getting 2 to start and then upgrading to 3 or 4 later this year. Once I have written this I am going to do some serious reading from the stuff you guys provided and MAKE THE DECISION. Thanks so much for the time and effort you have put into helping me. I thought the parallel v serial thing on GPU you mentioned is interesting and wonder if I need to prepare for it ow or worry about the 2 and then the 4 when i get them.
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Bitspower Dual D5 Mod Top Koolance PMP450 x 2 Bitspower Upgrade Kit 250 Bitspower Water Tank Z-CAP II With G1/4" x3 POM 
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Thin Ice
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40 x Bitspower 16mm Multi Link Fittings (BP-BS9... Bitspower Aqua Pipe 3 x Alphacool NexXxos UT60 480mm Radiator 2 x Bitspower Black Sparkle 25mm Extender (G1/4")  
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2 x Bitspower Black Sparkle 30mm Extender (G1/4")  29 x Black Noise Black Silent Pro PL-2 120mm fans 4 x Bitspower Black Sparkle Temperature Sensors... 6 x Bitspower Black Sparkle Triple Rotary Snake... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Bitspower Dual D5 Mod Top Koolance PMP450 x 2 Bitspower Upgrade Kit 250 Bitspower Water Tank Z-CAP II With G1/4" x3 POM 
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BITSPOWER X-Station Power Extension II White Bitspower LED X-Station 
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