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Ive only ever owned an AMD but comparing the 2, im leaning more towards the Intel one. Seems to be more bang for my buck
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CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
For BF3/4 specifically, this could also be an AMD FX-83XX with no performance consequence, however, on the overall, most games run a little better on this chip compared to an AMD option.

CPU Cooler: I am not including a CPU cooler recommendation. I believe this is something that should be considered after a machine is assembled so that measurements can be taken to ensure physical compatibility with the surrounding "clearance" issues in a machine. The stock cooler is perfectly fine for temporary use at stock speeds. This also allows the machine to stay in budget on the initial buy-in. A CPU cooler, like a storage drive, is something that can be "added on" in time and won't degrade the value of the machine if purchased at a later date, rather affords the opportunity to get more for your money now.

Motherboard: Asus Z87-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
There are actually several Z87 boards that would make sense for this build. This is one of many options and I chose it because it is on promo discount right now.
Here's a "short-list" of other high value ~$120-160 OC capable Z87 boards that I would be looking at for a build in this budget:
Asus Z87-PLUS
ASRock Z87 Extreme4
ASRock Fatal1ty Z87 Killer
Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H
Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H
MSI Z87-G55
MSI Z87-G45 Gaming

There are long lists of minor differences between the boards above. While technically there are a few in this list that are really the "gems," I believe you would be hard pressed to go wrong within this list if you picked on aesthetics alone. (Seriously, pick one you like the look of best!) These all have pretty robust VRM configurations and SLI support (which I believe to be a good thing regardless of whether you use AMD or NV GPUs, because it means you have access to a nicely balanced 8x8x PCIE configuration, which should be better for any high end multiple GPU configuration). If you wanted get to the nitty gritty of comparing and contrasting them for your needs you could take a close look at the position of components and connectors, compare fan header support, SATA connection and spacing on the board (side? non-side? preference?), you could even look up differences in VRM efficiency if you wanted to (there ARE differences, sometimes resulting up to 10% or more difference in CPU related power consumption)

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($76.99 @ Newegg)
Several of the builds above have memory with high profile heatsinks which may interfere with cooling solutions. Furthermore, one particular memory kit that has been suggested several times has really terrible trending for reviews, which is a good indication of something not to buy because it has a problem that is cropping up for many people. There's a reason it is the cheapest.

Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Enough SSD for a decent collection of installed Games and OS. I don't believe a 120GB SSD is even worth considering if you are a serious gamer. You'll be up against the limits of the drive after installing just 3 largish games and windows. The time that the SSD saves you will be lost to constant installing/removing of software to the SSD. 240GB is the minimum practical size unless you only play a couple games. This size should also allow you to SKIP buying a regular storage drive for awhile. (save up for this)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 3GB Video Card ($220.98 @ Newegg)
This is the "building block" of something great. Normally a 3GB GTX660 is sort of an oddity and not really considered a good balance of GPU grunt to VRAM size, but there is a reason for this line of thinking. See, in SLI, everything scales, except for VRAM size. The information stored in VRAM must be duplicated on both GPUs when used in SLI. A 3GB version of this card, allows it to scale up to near-GTX780 performance in SLI, without a "penalty" of sub 3GB VRAM limits. The idea here is that you use the single card for a month or 2 and save for another, at which point, you will have achieved near-GTX780 performance, at a lower cost to implement, and in a way that allows you to "buy into it" over time, so that you can begin using the machine now. I realize everyone else is encouraging the purchase of a bigger better GPU, but at higher cost. I'm trying to be practical here and offer something that actually fits this budget while offering a good upgrade path. If your budget can be increased, this is the area to focus that on, and I would suggest looking at 3-4GB HD7950/HD7970/280X/GTX660Ti/GTX670/GTX760/GTX770 options.

Case: Rosewill Galaxy-03 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
This is honestly chosen as a $50 placeholder that can and should be replaced with your aesthetic preference. Though not a bad case for the money I think it would be in your best interest to pick out a handful of $30-60 MidATX cases that you like the look of and offer them up for folks to discuss the pros/cons of so that you can get the "best" of a bunch that you like the look of. I can't begin to guess what your tastes in case design might be.

Power Supply: Rosewill Fortress 650W 80+ Platinum Certified ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
This is probably the best PSU you can buy under $100 right now. ATNG OEMed unit with Platinum efficiency. Plenty of power for an overclocked i5 GTX660SLI rig. If you decide to extend your budget to improve the GPU you may need to reassess this part of the build, as some of those beefier GPU options if upgraded to SLI/CFX configuration would push the limits of this PSU if overclocked and stress tested. If you decide to go with an AMD CPU build instead, I would recommend adding ~100-150W to the PSU sizing as well.

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
I'm operating on the assumption that you'll need this for a fresh build if you plan on playing lots of new games.

Total: $1027.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker, Edited by Mdocod 2014-01-05 12:19 EST-0500)

Most of the builds suggested so far require that you float a higher buy-in for MIRs to come back, lack an OS, have questionable quality parts, and/or are significantly over budget (especially with an OS factored in). Furthermore, I do not understand the logic in putting an SLI/CFX capable motherboard in a machine that should have that upgrade path, then not putting enough PSU in it to handle the GPU that has been suggested in a dual configuration. Typical sloppy OCN build recommendations IMO (I hate to say it, but it's true, too many build suggestions here are haphazardly thrown together without much detail oriented investigation done).


Edited by mdocod - 1/5/14 at 1:27pm
     
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I am a gamer and have 120GB
nobody can judge how much capacity a user needs
he must decide for himself

and I always advice to buy SSD and hardisk let the hardisk be ur media storage and all extra games that u don't play them too much on the hardisk

removing and adding the games to hardisk with steam is easier then anything else u just right click on any game in ur library and select to back it up then chose location and done it is now installed in hardisk instead of ssd

for the other games not on steam still the 120GB can hold some games

I got maya, photoshop on my ssd also have wow 25GB+ , Dota 2, warcraft frozen throne ,

and have 25 gb free left on my SSD i keep it free for when I need to copy something fast later on i deal with organizing the files and space

and for most ppl I think even 240GB is not enough these days thats why lot of ppl have 750GB or 1TB in there laptops and lot of ppl get external hardisks
so he should get the Media hardisk like 1 or 2TB + on the side depends on his needs , but for now the 120SSD is more then enough for few games and the OS


@mdocod

Regarding the Psu it is a waste to put 550w+ if he is not going for 2 cards
he must decide if he want to upgrade later on and have Sli/crossfire
so no need to spend 100$+ on psu he don't need
also saying he need to add 150w for amd I am really surprised

so you want him to buy a 650w+150w= 800w for single gpu system ?
he don't need that much Watts

when we suggest a motherboard that have many pcie lanes it is not just for sli or Crossfire it is for the user later on in future if he found the need to add sound card or any sort of pcie card he can do it
but if he went and bought a MicroATX board or miniATX board then he will face that issue in future

it matter what Features he want in the motherboard he must Look up the parts we suggest and do a bit of re search and not buy blindly,
example the Hero i suggested it is not the best value or the best motherboard and he can buy cheaper one that will do the job but he should go do a bit of googling and find out what it have to offer for the extra $

I did write to him if he want from me to drop the price i can make it easily

if he want he can even go way lower then 800$ and still play all Games max 1080p 60fps+ and he won't need to overclock or deal with any of that or buying aftermarket cooler
so the money is not an issue here , the issue is what the OP wants ?
to buy cheapest gaming computer? to run games 1080p smooth full settings 60fps?

or he want to go and become an enthusiast like us and do some benchmarking with overclocking learning and gaining experience in this kind of things ?
if yes then he must check the stuff out from now , his journey starts now , he have to start learning from now and check this motherboard have that software with it the other one have that Audio chip etc..


he want us to hit him with our best shot, apparently u hit him with 7 shots not your best one !
suggesting all these motherboards will do one of these 2

either he will get confused if he don't know these stuff and will be wondering what to chose
or he will chose any one of them just as u said based on aesthetics as u said also wrong and he might regret that later on, when he realize one of them have (example) wireless network other don't

the OP didn't even ask about overclocking yet we at least must know if he want to or not !
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Regarding the Psu it is a waste to put 550w+ if he is not going for 2 cards
he must decide if he want to upgrade later on and have Sli/crossfire

My build recommendation includes a recommended path to an SLI configuration, therefor has a proper PSU size for the build as suggested.
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so no need to spend 100$+ on psu he don't need

It's a $90 PSU, and it's the correct size for the system I have proposed.
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also saying he need to add 150w for amd I am really surprised

An overclocked AMD FX-8XXX uses up to ~250W AT THE CHIP, which translates to ~300W after VRM losses, this is about 100W higher than the consumption of an OCed 1150 socket chip+VRM losses, so yes, 100-150W of added PSU is required for an overclocked FX build, vs an overclocked Haswell 1150 build.
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so you want him to buy a 650w+150w= 800w for single gpu system ?
he don't need that much Watts

To quote myself: "This is the "building block" of something great. " I have suggested SLI GTX660 for this build, and a properly sized PSU for it. If the OP decides to go GTX660SLI+FX8350, then yes, 800W is the correct PSU size.
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when we suggest a motherboard that have many pcie lanes it is not just for sli or Crossfire it is for the user later on in future if he found the need to add sound card or any sort of pcie card he can do it
but if he went and bought a MicroATX board or miniATX board then he will face that issue in future

The only thing that needs an 8x8x configuration in a gaming rig is GPUs. You seem to be trying to make excuses for a sloppy build recommendation. I'm not aware of any expansion card other than a GPU that would go into a gaming rig that would need more bandwidth than a regular PCI slot.
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it matter what Features he want in the motherboard he must Look up the parts we suggest and do a bit of re search and not buy blindly,

Yes, I agree that the OP should not blindly follow your advice.
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example the Hero i suggested it is not the best value or the best motherboard and he can buy cheaper one that will do the job but he should go do a bit of googling and find out what it have to offer for the extra $

Okay so the OP should do some research about which motherboard to use....

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he want us to hit him with our best shot, apparently u hit him with 7 shots not your best one !
suggesting all these motherboards will do one of these 2

either he will get confused if he don't know these stuff and will be wondering what to chose

Wait, I thought he was supposed to research his options? Which is it? you're holding me to a double standard now.
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or he will chose any one of them just as u said based on aesthetics as u said also wrong and he might regret that later on, when he realize one of them have (example) wireless network other don't

Please go back and read what I said. You're contradicting yourself and not even considering the full context of what I have said before commenting.
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the OP didn't even ask about overclocking yet we at least must know if he want to or not !

The sooner you have answers to all of these questions that are bothering you so much, the sooner you can be triumphant with the most uber build recommendation the world has ever known right? Hehe....

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I do not plan to overclock or xfire/sli anything. The only goal for NOW is to get a decent build put together that can run even the most demanding games and games to come on 1080p running at or above 60 fps consistently. Maximum budget remains at $1000 and should not exceed that amount. Remember as stated in my OP that everything is to be included in the budget excluding monitor, mouse, and keyboard. Thank you all so far for your input and I definitely will not "buy blindly" without doing my own research into what i think is best for me.

With that said, mdocod, I really like what you have put together there. Is there any way you can make adjustments to get it under $1000 and still have the same performance?
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Hi yuniver. I have owned AMD for over 10 years, including the 6300 which I had @ 4.58 Gig. it is killed by haswell running stock. I only use my machine for flightsimming and it needs single thread performance which AMD have not got sorted out yet. In my opinon id go for the I7 3730K , they run cooler and overclock just as well as haswell though perfomance might be 1 or 2 fps lower. Haswll is a lottery when it comes to overclocking, i suppose that is waht happens when the comptition is failing.
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Yuniver,

With no overclocking, and no dual GPU intended, you can actually have a little more out-of-the-box performance for around that price. Here's some ideas:


A non-SSD build that focuses on maximizing CPU/GPU performance above all else...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($244.48 @ SuperBiiz)
This is a hyperthreaded quad core haswell with 8MB L3 cache @ 3.3ghz (3.7ghz turbo). 5% slower than the flagship i7-4770K in this class, ~20% lower cost. Best value non-OC chip from intel for performance gaming (or workstation class use) IMO.
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($335.91 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill RANGER-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($33.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1004.32
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-06 22:45 EST-0500)


A more balanced approach with an SSD/mechanical combo.

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CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1220 V3 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($203.98 @ SuperBiiz)
This is is just like the chip in the build above, but with slightly lower clocks (3.1GHZ/3.5ghz turbo) and hyperthreading disabled. Similar to an i5-4440 but with a larger L3 cache and slightly higher turbo speeds.
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($234.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Rosewill RANGER-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($33.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $984.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-06 23:37 EST-0500)

This machine is very similar to my Father-in-Law's rig, (his is an i5-haswell+GTX760 w/8GB/240GB/1TB/Capstone). It's been a great gaming machine so far.

The RAM from this build can be interchanged with the RAM from the first build to absolutely get either build under $1000 shipped. I believe I selected all of the merchants I would actually use in the lists above, with everything checked for availability (no out-of-stock pricing, no MIRs required to get this price etc).


I would offer an AMD build up for consideration, but there aren't any high end AMD GPU's in stock anywhere.
Edited by mdocod - 1/6/14 at 9:23pm
     
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Regarding the Psu it is a waste to put 550w+ if he is not going for 2 cards
he must decide if he want to upgrade later on and have Sli/crossfire

My build recommendation includes a recommended path to an SLI configuration, therefor has a proper PSU size for the build as suggested.
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so no need to spend 100$+ on psu he don't need

It's a $90 PSU, and it's the correct size for the system I have proposed.
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also saying he need to add 150w for amd I am really surprised

An overclocked AMD FX-8XXX uses up to ~250W AT THE CHIP, which translates to ~300W after VRM losses, this is about 100W higher than the consumption of an OCed 1150 socket chip+VRM losses, so yes, 100-150W of added PSU is required for an overclocked FX build, vs an overclocked Haswell 1150 build.
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so you want him to buy a 650w+150w= 800w for single gpu system ?
he don't need that much Watts

To quote myself: "This is the "building block" of something great. " I have suggested SLI GTX660 for this build, and a properly sized PSU for it. If the OP decides to go GTX660SLI+FX8350, then yes, 800W is the correct PSU size.
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when we suggest a motherboard that have many pcie lanes it is not just for sli or Crossfire it is for the user later on in future if he found the need to add sound card or any sort of pcie card he can do it
but if he went and bought a MicroATX board or miniATX board then he will face that issue in future

The only thing that needs an 8x8x configuration in a gaming rig is GPUs. You seem to be trying to make excuses for a sloppy build recommendation. I'm not aware of any expansion card other than a GPU that would go into a gaming rig that would need more bandwidth than a regular PCI slot.
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it matter what Features he want in the motherboard he must Look up the parts we suggest and do a bit of re search and not buy blindly,

Yes, I agree that the OP should not blindly follow your advice.
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example the Hero i suggested it is not the best value or the best motherboard and he can buy cheaper one that will do the job but he should go do a bit of googling and find out what it have to offer for the extra $

Okay so the OP should do some research about which motherboard to use....

.......
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he want us to hit him with our best shot, apparently u hit him with 7 shots not your best one !
suggesting all these motherboards will do one of these 2

either he will get confused if he don't know these stuff and will be wondering what to chose

Wait, I thought he was supposed to research his options? Which is it? you're holding me to a double standard now.
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or he will chose any one of them just as u said based on aesthetics as u said also wrong and he might regret that later on, when he realize one of them have (example) wireless network other don't

Please go back and read what I said. You're contradicting yourself and not even considering the full context of what I have said before commenting.
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the OP didn't even ask about overclocking yet we at least must know if he want to or not !

The sooner you have answers to all of these questions that are bothering you so much, the sooner you can be triumphant with the most uber build recommendation the world has ever known right? Hehe....

Regards,
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what questions exactly?
and he don't need the 90$ psu again, 69.99$ and after rebate 59$ XFX 550w is more then enough
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=550w++xfx&N=-1&isNodeId=1

what sloppy recommendation you just Got burned

see u made recommendations without even looking at the OP needs
he don't want sli or cross fire or even overclock and still just want to write here for sake to argue with others and prove yourself right this is not the first post that I read ur comments and find them like this

we are here to try to help the op and always "direct your talk to him not to the others " Remember ?


about double standard there is a certain % we shouldn't cross here and plz don't be a kid

for example he have to do research doesn't mean we go recommend to him a Dual Xeon's do we?
why not right? we recommend it and he go research right?

what we do here is give him idea's we think it is correct but to a point to certain % then he have to check it himself

but what you are doing completely misguide OP

first single R280x or GTX 760 will be enough
no need to sli 660


The cache in the xeon will be useless for him it is just for media encoding or compression" , he is just gaming so better to find cheapest cpu he can get which will let him play games max 60fps @ 1080p
he can still go with i5 but the xeon offer faster clock speeds here, but he can pay less

regarding mobo the OP can go B85 but he can't swap cpu later to overclocking one and so he must put that in mind and check the b85 what it is missing compared to other chipsets and the other mobos features
few dollars more can get z87 some get more usb 3.0 and 6 sata 3.0
for me sata did matter and I am currently using them all and at 1st just had single 120GB ssd but by time I keep every movie I have and tv show , like to collect so with time kept adding hardisks and now full six sata ports connected
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what questions exactly?

The questions you asked.
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and he don't need the 90$ psu again, 69.99$ and after rebate 59$ XFX 550w is more then enough
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=550w++xfx&N=-1&isNodeId=1

Not for the build I originally proposed.
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what sloppy recommendation you just Got burned

Pretty much every build recommendation before mine in this thread was over budget and either offered crummy performance/cost ratio and/or had questionable component component quality, including yours.
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see u made recommendations without even looking at the OP needs

So did you, and it was way over budget and included an unnecessary competition grade overclocking motherboard. Why are you holding me to a double standard here?

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he don't want sli or cross fire or even overclock and still just want to write here for sake to argue with others and prove yourself right this is not the first post that I read ur comments and find them like this

You made a build recommendation with an SLI supporting overclocking motherboard before having the answers to any of those questions. I don't see that you have any grounds upon which to criticize me for making the same mistake, unless you are willing to admit your own faults here.
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we are here to try to help the op and always "direct your talk to him not to the others " Remember ?

You addressed me in this thread first. You are holding me to a double standard that is not even reasonable.
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about double standard there is a certain % we shouldn't cross here and plz don't be a kid

There is nothing unreasonable or childish about calling out your double standards.
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for example he have to do research doesn't mean we go recommend to him a Dual Xeon's do we?

Hypothetical's won't help your argument.
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what we do here is give him idea's we think it is correct but to a point to certain % then he have to check it himself

I have not recommended Dual Xeons, stop accusing me of a hypothetical that has not happened.
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but what you are doing completely misguide OP

first single R280x or GTX 760 will be enough
no need to sli 660

I have 2 build recommendations above, one with a GTX770 [similar to 280X] and another with a GTX760. Both with high performance, high value E3 chips. These builds are not misguided at all.
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The cache in the xeon will be useless for him it is just for media encoding or compression"

Same size cache as an i7, which does perform slightly better than the i5 in a number of games that have cache sensitivity, which makes the E3 class a better value unless there is an i5 on sale for much less.
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, he is just gaming so better to find cheapest cpu he can get which will let him play games max 60fps @ 1080p
he can still go with i5 but the xeon offer faster clock speeds here, but he can pay less

uhuh
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regarding mobo the OP can go B85 but he can't swap cpu later to overclocking one and so he must put that in mind and check the b85 what it is missing compared to other chipsets and the other mobos features
few dollars more can get z87 some get more usb 3.0 and 6 sata 3.0
for me sata did matter and I am currently using them all and at 1st just had single 120GB ssd but by time I keep every movie I have and tv show , like to collect so with time kept adding hardisks and now full six sata ports connected

Yuniver strikes me as a pretty intelligent person. I'm sure he/she will be able to handle figuring out whether the motherboard has enough holes on it for his/her needs. The board I suggested has a total of 12 USB and 6 SATA (various speeds). Even has internal headers for parallel and serial ports. It's a very versatile board and would serve most peoples needs very well.
     
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I am not holding double standard
u the one who started talking about others while u didn't do a good job yourself
( you saying everyone etc.. and balbing about it) while u did so many wrong things

i did put my recommended list because I advice the OP to buy it ( also did put a note for him if he want i can drop the price) i didn't say i can't drop the price of my list it is easy just swap motherboards

I did recommend a overclocking and mobo fill with gaming features coz his budget allow such a thing
and can easily get it 900$ and still can overclock also can have nice stuff on the motherboard

I am not double standarding I didn't say i did perfect job in my reccomendation but u did also screw up
so don't go talking about others and blabing about their lists while yours not better and even the worst because u did notice their mistakes still u did fall in the same mistake didn't take the OP needs in your list

so no double standard here I did screw up but you did realize that and yet u did screw up and still did talk about everyone here so instead of focusing on pointing at others and trying to show off Try to focus on what is important and make the right list for OP
but u didn't and u did advice him for that super overclocking and sli build didnt you?

so you are here with double standard when u go talking about other recommendations that they are bad while urse not good either !


I didn't put any Double standards here, I did advice him to buy things based on what I see right, but it is wrong ofc because should look at what he wants
but I didn't go blabing and say everyone here is wrong and did this and that...

also I didn't say this is the perfect recommendations and nothing can be better but did write to him I can make it cheaper , which I am trying to let him check my list if he like it and find the features in it interesting he might rethink of what he wants

I didn't talk about ur 2nd and 3rd recommendation when I talked about misguided I talked about the Amd build u did put there

Dude really Cache sensitivity in games really ?
i7 do better then i5 not because of cache


he can Get 175$ why do he need to spend the extra $ on xeon ?
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54430

that cpu can get him max settings 1080p 60Fps all games ( you always go for the xeon in every build out there ) I think you are just being a fan of xeon's don't even think twice
what matters his Gpu more
so he should focus mostly on gpu


Again no double standard here i never went talking about others like u did , and never said my recommendation are perfect or the best or better then others while u did imply that, and you didn't even do a good job in the recommendation didn't even look at the fact he don't want to overclock , ofc i did do the same and recommended something that he overclock but remember again and again I didn't go braging or saying look at my recommendation and leave the others


see how you are being silly here?
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Yuniver strikes me as a pretty intelligent person. I'm sure he/she will be able to handle figuring out whether the motherboard has enough holes on it for his/her needs. The board I suggested has a total of 12 USB and 6 SATA (various speeds). Even has internal headers for parallel and serial ports. It's a very versatile board and would serve most peoples needs very well.

am not talking to you
I am directing my talks there about motherboard to the OP to check the difference before he buy
again you are here in ocn to brag and show off not to help. !?
nobody here care if you know more then them or did recommend the best looking build or what ever
now our Goal here trying to save Money for the guy to build his best gaming machine while saving money and be able to play up coming games in future at 1080p 60fps, also don't want him to regret having issues later on 1 or 2 years then he realize he should went with other mobo
specially the overclocking part, not just for performance also as hobby and fun almost every gamer these days think about overclocking some are scared some are limited due to budget, and the numbers increasing.

so he can go cheaper with cpu and put more $ in gpu
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