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I am seriously thinking about installing my components into the ThermalTake Kandalf LCS. I have read alot of posts from people who own and use the system. I also see many people who are saying to stay away from thermaltake. I love the fact that the case is so big and "made" to fit and use a water cooling system. Can someone point out where the downfall of the Kandalf LCS is? Is the pump bad? Is the waterblock no good? Id just like to find out. I have no problems switching out parts from the kandalf system if its just one or two components. Thanks in advance!

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post #2 of 10
I dont know, but i would guess that its are a cheap solution to wather cooling. What are your temps?
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Hrm, i have the case, the installation of everything is very easy since the damn things is literally huge. The water cooling system while not top notch does a very decent job.
I botched the mount of the waterblock on the CPU tho. What happend is that i put some AS5 on my waterblock, then spread it around with one of those plastic reward cards.

The entire liquid cooling system was already installed , filled and waterproofed BEFORE i mounted on the waterblock on the CPU, anyway. Since i put too much AS5 and the hoses were already connected, the waterblock isnt sitting too well on the CPU. The temps i get w/o OC are 29/40 idle/load. I plan on cleaning the whole thing up a bit later this week and checking on new temps.

Overall the case is great, if u try to install the pump in the recommanded location from the manual, the holes at the bottom of the pump wont match with those at the bottom of the case, out of the 4 mounting holes just two will.
Also when i received my case the bay with the power button was somehow slammed in through the front of the case, and was stuck 4 inches behind the front pannel, easy fix and no permanent scratches.
Also even tho the case has a liquid cooling system, its not too quiet. With 3 fans on the radiator, 2 at the back of the case and the optional top fan, plus the pump the noise level is noticeable but definitely better than my previous AC rig.

However on the plus side: Because the case is so big, there is a disgusting amount of space to install anything and hide wires, you can install almost anything u want in it without any issues whatsoever. I took off the back green PCI clips tho since they were getting in the way of my videocard and didnt work too well. It just didn't feel secure enough the cards being held by those clips, so now i screw them in.

Overall i think its a great case and have no problems with it, either than its weight, the black one being made of part steel really puts some strain on your back when u try to get it out of your car

The pump is alright from what ive noticed so far, no problems with it, ive had this case for about a month now and tho i know its a very very short amount of time i havent had much worry about it. However the reservoir is attached to it permanently i think, thus if u wanna upgrade any of the 2 parts u will have to buy them both.

EDIT: With the waterblock as I said before sitting a little crooked, i gave a shot to overclocking my E6600. I got it to 2.7GHz with temps of 32/49 idle/load. After i fix the waterblock i will give it another shot and see what the new temps are
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post #4 of 10
Its really hard to upgrade a kit like that...You should re-seat your CPU block your idle and load temp's should be a lot closer then they are now....
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I LOVE my lcs. I upgraded the pump and res and added a NB and SB block as well as a maze 4 for the VGA.
    
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post #6 of 10
The pump that comes with the LCS case is the best thermaltake has, same style like DangerDens,its a good pump alot better than the bigwater pump the only thing I changed was the waterblock to a swiftech Apogee and went with PrimoFlex 3/8in ID 5/8in OD also I use super coolant and distilled water instead of the green crap thermaltake gives you

Thermaltake's pump Flow rate:500L/h (138 GPH) 3/8 fittings


DangerDens pump Maximum flow: 567 l/hr (150 GPH) 1/2 fittings
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post #7 of 10
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Thanks for all your input! If anyone has any additional comments please post them!

I am waiting for a few last pieces (ie the case) to arrive so currently i dont have temps to look at.

I have heard alot of ppl that say they love their apogee wb so Im thinking about switching that out once my case arrives.. Any comments about installation that might be helpful? (im curious if the kandalf included "back plate" will create any problems with the screws being too short)

Is the tubing that comes with it flimsy? just curious cuz the primoflex is cheap like $2/ft so i want the better of the two.
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post #8 of 10
I used that back plate with my apogee it worked out fine,
The PrimoFlex 3/8in bends and doesn't kink like the Thermaltake's $1.49per ft at xoxide.com also they also carry the apogee block.
Like I said I wouldn't use the green coolant it builds up in your blocks & pump, NAPA auto part store sells the zerex super coolant $8.00 32FL.OZ. You only use 5% coolant with 95% distilled water.
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great to hear that block works.. Ill definitely have to order one then and the primoflex.. i got my lapping kit on the way from easypckits.com and then i should be ready to get started.. earlier in the week i went to napa and checker auto parts and they had like 12oz for $8.50 or something. I knew i saw it on the web somewhere cheaper for a larger bottle (not that it matters) so i just need to find it again.

What is your case temp? The reason I ask is because im wondering about the temp of the 8800. I dont have any plans to buy a block for it (for one they are sold out).. Any recommendations?

BTW.. USFORCES that case is nice! how did u get such a nice finish on the inside? you use a gun?
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great to hear that block works.. Ill definitely have to order one then and the primoflex.. i got my lapping kit on the way from easypckits.com and then i should be ready to get started.. earlier in the week i went to napa and checker auto parts and they had like 12oz for $8.50 or something. I knew i saw it on the web somewhere cheaper for a larger bottle (not that it matters) so i just need to find it again.

What is your case temp? The reason I ask is because im wondering about the temp of the 8800. I dont have any plans to buy a block for it (for one they are sold out).. Any recommendations?

BTW.. USFORCES that case is nice! how did u get such a nice finish on the inside? you use a gun?
For the 8800GTS you need the EK they ship to the US nice block to, DD don't have them for the GTS yet just for the GTX..
http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/index....7ab3cb092acac9

Cans of spray paint but I drilled out the rivets to get the hard to reach area's.
Also I got 32fl oz of that super coolant for $8.50 at the NAPA dealer by me.

My temps are idle/load are around,

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