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I have my man. Their price certainly looks attractive, and they look (aesthetically) decent as well. The only downfall is that there are reported typical PWM clicking, which is strange as it prides itself on the function. BUT the shared PWM remains a VERY attractive function.

DaveLT there has PMed me about Cooler Master's JetFlo 120 and aside from the slightly high price, they look VERY good. No PWM-clicking, airflow optimized blades (I mean look at them.) , led OR no LED version, PWM 4 pin, AND they also look VERY good.

Safe to say no more Corsair for consideration when I have the above two. So thanks guys! thumb.gif Made some progress! Just as I was about to give up and live with my current fans... thumb.gif

i've addressed your fan clicking issue in a few post before the derailment

the clicks are caused by fans not being used on the right headers. PWM fans on a voltage control header and running the PWM fans undervolted causes the clicks. run the PWM fans on a PWM specific header and you wont get any clicks.

PWM fans need the full 12v to run properly while fan speed is controlled by PWM pulses manipulating its duty cycle
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i've addressed your fan clicking issue in a few post before the derailment

the clicks are caused by fans not being used on the right headers. PWM fans on a voltage control header and running the PWM fans undervolted causes the clicks. run the PWM fans on a PWM specific header and you wont get any clicks.

PWM fans need the full 12v to run properly while fan speed is controlled by PWM pulses manipulating its duty cycle

Yes, I can and did understand that. Just thought I'd mention it as one of the F12's characteristics. redface.gif
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Yes, I can and did understand that. Just thought I'd mention it as one of the F12's characteristics. redface.gif

oh....PWM clicking is PWM specific regardless of brand so just a general application dont use it on a voltage controlled header/controller

coolermaster = 12-36 dBA (PWM) , yeh it pushes alot of air and damn its loud

0.3sones that arctic rates themselves is about 22dBA pushing 75CFM

but remember sones is about perceivable loudness at a specific tone, while dBA is attenuated dB so distance and tones matters

me personally dont trust cooler master specifications especial on the noise department though i'm not doubting their outright cooling performance

basically i divide fans in 2 categories, fans are for outright performance without care of noise and power consumption and fans that are designed for low noise performance. I place thermaltake and coolermaster fans in the former and arctic, noctua etc in the latter though granted there will be exceptions in their product line up

nexus and scythe fans are worth a look too but they will cost a tad more
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Beware of the Jetflos. In my testing they where outgunned by my old medium speed Panaflos (noise and performance) and by some Thermaltake Blue Eyes. They SCREAM and WAIL at full speed, but they have good airflow and pressure even at 50% their speed.
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Beware of the Jetflos. In my testing they where outgunned by my old medium speed Panaflos (noise and performance) and by some Thermaltake Blue Eyes. They SCREAM and WAIL at full speed, but they have good airflow and pressure even at 50% their speed.
I doubt. They were very close to my Delta AFBs which are by far one of the most highest CFM and static pressure range of industrial fans
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FanXpert 1 is doing the "commanding" or "directing" of the motherboard to increase or decrease voltage.

Don't have FanXpert 1

So how does the M6F w/ FanXpert2 signal the fan to go at a specific rpm ? It's a loop..... it happens cause the MoBo did its little exercise, plotted and stored all the fan rpm points and knows what rpm goes with what voltage. BTW, when I say MoBo, I'm including the MoBo's BIOS and MoBo utilities under that umbrella. FanXpert2 is a utility for / feature of the the Asus MoBo's BIOS....and the BIOS is stored on a chip on the MoBo.... you can control the fans directly thru the BIOS or you can more conveniently interface these controls, and in more detail, thru the utility.
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"Variable voltage" is only voltage, and is not "serving to command or direct" the fan. Increase voltage and fan speed up, decrease voltage and fan slows down.
Keyboard / mouse send "signals" to motherboard / FanXpert2. FanXpert2 commands motherboard to send X% of 12Volt power gtom fan header and to fan. Fan returns RPM signal to motherboard / FanXpert2 and you see an RPM reading on monitor.

Fan has no ability to to respond to commands of any sort. Motor receives power (voltage) and runs at whatever speed that voltage spins it at. (If fan is PWM than PWM signal commands 12v power pulses to motor).

The PWM signal just turns the 12v on and off.... so shud it be argued that, the PWM isn't controlling the fan speed, it's the length of time that the 12v is on or off that determines fan speed ?

The "command" ***is** the voltage. How does the MoBo a) make, b) command, c) signal the fan go faster ... it sends it more voltage .

Which is why I said semantics.......I gave you two definitions and you are picking the one you want and discarding the other.....you're speaking like a circuit designer (electronics definition) , I'm speaking like a computer user (layman's definition).

A boxing coach tells his boxer to throw left hook when his opponent drops his right. The opponent drops the right and the coach screams "now, now".

I'm saying he threw the left hook cause his coach told him when to do it
Your saying he threw it cause an electrical impulse from his brain made his arm move.

It seems now your argument that it's not the Motherboard that creates the signal but the Motherboard BIOS or Motherboard software ?????? When I say my EK Supremacy cools my CPU, I'd not expect an argument that the water block does not cool the CPU ..... I presume that the reader understands that the water block will have water or coolant running thru it and that there is no need to state it separately ..... and when I say "MoBo", I presume the reader understands that a MoBo has a BIOS and since the BIOS is on a chip that is on the MoBo, it is therefore by definition part of the MoBo. And if I use a BIOS utility to augment or interact with the functions in the BIOS, that still would fall under the umbrella of MoBo.....especially THIS MoBo.
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Changing subject; Does FanXpert2 actually using fan speed / RPM setting to control fan speed or is it using fan power percentage setting and RPM is just a reading of the power percentage? Most of the software I've check out is power percentage controlled and the RPM is a reading of what the fan is running at that power percentage setting. IE if I plug in a resistor/diode like many fans and/or coolers come with the same power percentage setting give a lower RPM reading.

Remember on THIS and other RoG / TUF MoBos, it does that whole fan test thing....it plots a fan curve .... it sends a voltage signal, looks for the tach response (that loop thing I keep referring to) and then plots a curve for % of full speed versus rpm. So when you tell it to do a specific rpm, the MoBo knows what voltage to send for a specific rpm. So when you want a specific rpm, it signals the fan to run at that rpm by sending the appropriate voltage. It even signals the fans to stop running at a certain point so ya don't have them turning on and off when tems waver a little ..... For example.... it determined that the minimum speed of the fan is 307 rpm (25%) but it actually stops the fan at any time when you tell it to go below 404 rpm.
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After you click the "Fan Auto Tuning" button it will run a fan tests that lasts between two and five minutes. While running, this tests measures the maximum and lowest RPM of all of the fans inside your case that are connected to one of the fan headers (3-pin or 4-pin) on your ASUS motherboard. Once complete, Fan Xpert 2 now has an intimate knowledge of all of your cooling fans and it knows how to dynamically control them based on the CPU temperature as well as let you manually control them to a rather extreme level.
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If I hook wires to you and turn on run electricity/current/DC is your jumping and twitching the result of the current "commanding and signaling" you to do it?

I believe it is it simply your response to being shocked by electrical current.. simple cause and effect sort of thing. biggrin.gif

Now if you say the above example is a "command signal" and not not "cause and effect", than we will just have to agree to dissagree. thumb.gif
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Lemme ask ya this .... when the jury is finished with their deliberations, who will be determined to have been "responsible" for me being shocked..... you or the electricity ?

The question is "what made it happen ?" What makes my fans go faster and what made me get shocked....could do this all day....

What made the nail go into the shingle ..... Im saying I pulled the trigger on the air gun, you're talking about the air pressure.
What made the car go faster ..... Im saying I stepped on the gas pedal, you're talking about the more gas going into the carburator
What made the TV get louder ..... I'm saying the dog stepped on the remote, you're talking about infrared signal.
What made the popcorn pop .....I'm saying I put it in and hit start button on microwave, you're talking about vibrating molecules rubbing together and resulting friction causing heat
What made me jiggle .... I'm saying you decided to shock me, you're saying current was applied

Neither answer is wrong, just looking at it from a different perspective .... tho, i still don't get the BIOS is not part of the MoBo part.
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..........Don't want to be that guy.

Question answered, thread end. Thank you for the help guys. People have been repped accordingly.

It's not even a matter of hijacked thread now, it is full-on derailment. If only I could lock thread, I would.
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