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Thanks again PimpSkyline!!!

I upped the Vcore to 1.3v and drop LLC from Extreme to Ultra High. Then primed at 4.2Ghz for 20mins and vcore stayed at 1.296v idle and 1.308v under load. Temps dropped slighty too!smile.gif

Then I thought... 4.3Ghz maybe at 1.3v vcore and Ultra High LLC might be worth trying.
Have just finished a prime95 run @4.3Ghz, 1.3V vcore and LLC on Ultra High. Cpu-Z showed 1.296v vcore on idle, bumped up to 1.308v under full load same as at 4.2GHz and never moved throughout 10+ minutes of prime95. Motherboard socket got to 63°C, Cpu package only got to 43.1°C and VRM only to 73°C. Seems happy and stable so far, best OC to date for me with this chip! And considering room temp is only 27°C not 29°C like yesterday it's like I got the same temps with an extra 100MHz for no negative effects! Thank You! thumb.gif Your advise and help has been invaluable!

Might have a crack at BF4 and run a 3dMark Bench to make sure its happy and later today shoot for 4.4Ghz and beyond! lol. Would love to see 4.6Ghz but I think summer might be the problem with getting there and keeping the socket temp under 70°C and VRM under 80°C. Even if I can get 4.4GHz or4.5Ghz will be VERY happy.

Would the best approach to trying higher frequencies be to just change LLC to extreme and up the multiplier, and monitor vcore readings and temps, once stable and up the vcore till it doesnt move much, then drop LLC back to ultra? Or should I just up the multiplier and if unstable add a notch of vcore? Seems by having higher vcore and lower LLC it saves voltage spikes and a couple °C.
By now I'm sure it probly should be obvious to me how to approach but this is my largest stabe OC yet, and since there are so many forums and opinions on how this is done I've would never have made it here so easily without your help.

Well first off, you really need a fan on the VRM and NB for best stability and such. The cooler the VRM/NB, the better your OC's will be.

I would just leave it on Ultra since it only jumps from 1.296 to 1.308V, cuz that's a great balance thumb.gif Just go for 4.4Ghz, if it fails, bump up Vcore 1 notch and try again.
 
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Socket temp is as it says the temp of the socket.
Its heavily effected by the VRM temp and the rear of the motherboard temp.

Iv found with mine that once it gets over 68C I start having stability problems.
Sticking a fan on the VRMs and rear of the mother board made the temps the same as the mobo temp when idle and under full load its normally 2-3C higher then core temp. So never goes over 65C.
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After a bit of curious fiddling, I am now at 4.5GHz!
Still with Ultra High LLC and 1.318750v on vcore in BIOS, it idles at 1.320 and under full load will not move from 1.332v.
Ran prime95 for 20 minutes no worries! Also done some benchmarking and gaming. Seems to be good so far!

With a room temp of 27°C my max temps were: 64°C socket, 45°C CPU, and 76°C on vcore(vrm).

Also the only difference from 4.4 to 4.5GHz in temps was 1°C on the Vcore. I did breifly for a minute hold a piece of card up to one side of the rear exhaust fan angled towards the front of the CPU to maximise airflow of the VRM heatsink and it lost about 2°C of temp, socket stayed the same. Might have to conjure up something to direct more air over the VRM heatsink.

I will have to figure out some way of cooling the rear of the motherboard, there is not alot of room in the area behind the motherboard tray and the Cooler Master HAF XM has this area basically sealled off from the rest of the case. This and cooling the VRM is gonna be needed if I go any further I think, as the CPU only getting to 45°C thanks to NZXT Kraken x60 with 2xBitfenix Spectre PRO PWM fans and arctic silver 5, and PimpSkyline's advice! Definatley more headroom in the CPU cooling for more, just gotta get some sort of VRM and socket cooling going.

Will post how I go after some brainstorming and conjuring thumb.gif
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Once you get those things sorted Id say the chip will do 4.8ghz on around 1.45-1.48V
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While it was able to run prime95 @4.5Ghz for over 20 minutes and 3dMark etc a handful of times, Battlefield 4 will crash before the 5 minute mark nearly everytime, sometimes after only a few minutes.
It ran sweet. Just Battlefield 4 crashed to windows a few times, once had a BSOD, and the last time it had a wierd crash where screen went black reset button wouldn't work nor the power button and I had to power it off at the wall to get it to restart. Been running it at 4.2GHz flawlessly since that this morning and been too busy to experiment with 4.5Ghz again.

Any suggestions?

Also been looking at getting a PCI slot blower to rig up to blow air in behind the motherboard tray and will rig up another NZXT 140mm PWM fan over the CPU and VRM heatsink so counter those problems.
North Bridge temps seem alright in the mid 40s. Guessing I might need some extra voltage in the NB though as it only crashes when graphics card is used, though it doesn't seem to worry it in Firestike 3dmark extreme mode, just battlefield 4.
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While it was able to run prime95 @4.5Ghz for over 20 minutes and 3dMark etc a handful of times, Battlefield 4 will crash before the 5 minute mark nearly everytime, sometimes after only a few minutes.
It ran sweet. Just Battlefield 4 crashed to windows a few times, once had a BSOD, and the last time it had a wierd crash where screen went black reset button wouldn't work nor the power button and I had to power it off at the wall to get it to restart. Been running it at 4.2GHz flawlessly since that this morning and been too busy to experiment with 4.5Ghz again.

Any suggestions?

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North Bridge temps seem alright in the mid 40s. Guessing I might need some extra voltage in the NB though as it only crashes when graphics card is used, though it doesn't seem to worry it in Firestike 3dmark extreme mode, just battlefield 4.

Wouldn't hurt to notch up the NB volts and maybe the Vcore. Heck once you get some direct air flow on the NB/VRM, Back of Mobo, it might play BF4 fine, heat tends to mess with stable OC's. And while i can't explain why PRIME and Firestrike doesn't cause the BSOD's like a simple game of BF4, i can tell you, stranger things have happened. (Like Candy Crush causing a Fellow AMD OCer a few BSOD's even after IBT/PRIME/BF4/CPU Folding and 3Dmark all ran fine for hours or days...) biggrin.gif
 
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BF4 is full of bugs that make it crash your computer.

Whats your CPU-NB voltage, You shouldnt need to touch the NB voltage at all.


For 5ghz on my chip.

1.48V CPU (goes up to 1.5V under load from extreme LLC)
1.25V CPU-NB (Northbridge is overclocked to 2.5ghz tho)
1.65V Ram (overclocked to 2ghz) Have heard that keeping voltage here under 1.5V helps stablity.

Have also head that changing the PLL voltage helps stability but I havnt had to touch it with my 8350 but on my 8120 I needed too.
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Been looking to upgrade from my 8120 to the 8350. I've had it at 4.0Ghz for at least a year. I've owned in for 24 months. It's a champ. So I wonder what moved you towards the 8350? Did you experience supernatural gains in the upgrade? Thanks bud. I'm on the Asus M5A99FX Pro R2.0 with H2O.
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I have a 8150 not an 8350. And I came from a Phenom II x4 945. I don't look back from the upgrade!

From what I have read in loads of reviews I wouldn't see much going from an OC'ed 8150 to an 8350, apparently if an 8350 is clocked at 4.2Ghz and an 8150 is clocked the same the gains are minimal. 8350s don't get much better OCs than 8150s. Both seem to hit the same walls in volts heat and frequency.

I would say if you have an 8120 at 4.ghz then stick with it you won't see alot of gains going to an 8350 which is clocked at 4Ghz (4.2 turbo). I mostly game on my system and the differences in stock and 4.5ghz while there is some minor improvement I would say the money is best spent on video card rather than a CPU which won't see alot of gains smile.gif Depends on what use it has most though.

As an update I am currently running at the 100% stable 4.2GHz, haven't had time to fiddle with the 4.5GHz... yet. Might get into it today.
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Been looking to upgrade from my 8120 to the 8350. I've had it at 4.0Ghz for at least a year. I've owned in for 24 months. It's a champ. So I wonder what moved you towards the 8350? Did you experience supernatural gains in the upgrade? Thanks bud. I'm on the Asus M5A99FX Pro R2.0 with H2O.

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I have a 8150 not an 8350. And I came from a Phenom II x4 945. I don't look back from the upgrade!

From what I have read in loads of reviews I wouldn't see much going from an OC'ed 8150 to an 8350, apparently if an 8350 is clocked at 4.2Ghz and an 8150 is clocked the same the gains are minimal. 8350s don't get much better OCs than 8150s. Both seem to hit the same walls in volts heat and frequency.

I would say if you have an 8120 at 4.ghz then stick with it you won't see alot of gains going to an 8350 which is clocked at 4Ghz (4.2 turbo). I mostly game on my system and the differences in stock and 4.5ghz while there is some minor improvement I would say the money is best spent on video card rather than a CPU which won't see alot of gains smile.gif Depends on what use it has most though.

As an update I am currently running at the 100% stable 4.2GHz, haven't had time to fiddle with the 4.5GHz... yet. Might get into it today.

Well at least a 8320, since Vishera is a better Core, it's not by much, but you can sell the 8120 for close to a 8320 i think... Well add $40, but it might be worth it, depends on how you look at it. If you want 5Ghz, nothing beats a 8350, or 9370, but the 8350 is much cheaper.

So would the upgrade be worth it? Maybe. Would I do it? Yes (Course i like 5Ghz lol)
 
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