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If mantle is going to alleviate the cpu from working so hard this makes me wonder how much better the Haswell I3's are going to get.
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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

If mantle is going to alleviate the cpu from working so hard this makes me wonder how much better the Haswell I3's are going to get.

What I see happening is that Mantle will change the entire benchmarking process. Sure faster better CPU will work better in Mantle but so will slower ones. So the dynamics of those games with Mantle with slow CPU's are going to show a vastily different picture of performance vs those games without.

In the end, slower CPUs will simply be good enough.
post #143 of 365
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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

If mantle is going to alleviate the cpu from working so hard this makes me wonder how much better the Haswell I3's are going to get.

Well...

There is always that Oxcide demo of taking the 4.0 Ghz 8350 and dumping it down to 2.0 Ghz and not getting a performance hit in their demo. Take it for what it is, but Mantle seems to be really working at removing the CPU as a major factor in overall performance. Which opens the doors up to a lot of gamers, especially the budget conscious ones.
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What I see happening is that Mantle will change the entire benchmarking process. Sure faster better CPU will work better in Mantle but so will slower ones. So the dynamics of those games with Mantle with slow CPU's are going to show a vastily different picture of performance vs those games without.

In the end, slower CPUs will simply be good enough.

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Wow, this thread has turned rather appalling; and that is something coming from me.

Since when did the size of a persons bank account, and ability to buy high end hardware, determine if they were a gamer or not?

"LOLZ HAXZORS NOOB WITH i3!!! U NOEZ GAMUZ!!!"

What kid of attitude is this? For the last 25 years or so I have been a "gamer" I simply considered other "gamers" to be anyone that enjoys playing games, either as a hobby or passion project. At no point have I ever said "Eh, like, you don't have XXX GPU, so, nubz sauce not a gamer poser you can't game!".

That attitude is pretty disgusting.

I don't care if you are using a Lite-Brite to game on, if that is what you have, and you enjoy gaming, you are a Gamer.

Have I shown you...

the definition of gamer?



JK, I've been gaming for 24 years(since me and my father found a Gamewatch peacefully lying in the midst of a parking lot during one of our holidays)and neither the games you play nor the hardware makes one. Evem those crazy +700h DOTA/Starcraft/Wow/TF2 only sociopaths are gamers...

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post #145 of 365
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Yeah, I'm aware of the elephant in the room that was tolerated do to compatibility concerns. However, that was a topic least talked about as there was no alternative at the time. However, now we can get beyond that, remove the elephant, and look forward to some actual benefits to what Mantle would bring to the table. With enough developer support who knows what can be imagine/developed with Mantle. For example, what if someone comes up with an idea to incorporate Mantle in the online gaming space?

You mean like Star Citizen? lol.
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Another thing, that 45% wasn't talking about GPU it was talking about Kevari so lets keep that in mind.

You can't say that, we don't know that.
post #146 of 365
Why is anyone even complaining about this? Its a free boost of performance for the consumer. If it's 20000% or 2%, who cares, it's FREE. I'm not paying for it, are any of you? It's pretty clear that many of the naysayers here are angry that the 780 they bought for bf4 won't be getting this FREE performance boost. I ask them though; does mantle make direct x perform worse? no? Then why complain? I think everyone should let Louis C.K. hammer in a little bit of perspective here with the statement "How quickly the world owes him something he knew existed only ten seconds ago". No one was even expecting mantle. None of you even knew it existed before gpu14. Honestly, take a look in the mirror and try to think about the true reason you are complaining; I have my doubts that it's Mantles performance or even AMD. I personally believe it's just the brain worrying that it made a wrong choice. There are some great papers written about the downsides of choice.

If mantle does in fact relieve cpu bottlenecks (for the most part) that is amazing! People looking to get the most out of games will no longer have to buy $200< cpu's. They can spend their money on what matters for the graphics which is the graphics card. What I'm saying is that people here often forget that the average gamer isn't using a 4930k's... OCN does not contain the average gamer. Mantle is HUGE if it does in fact remove cpu bottleneck, this will be massive for the majority that are using old or low end/power intel cpu's or AMD cpu's (in single threaded scenarios) which is what they should be worrying about. People using this hardware can now just toss in a nice video card and be on their way playing games with all the eye candy advantages of PC without having to spend thousands of dollars on an overkill PC.
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I would really like to see this in action:
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This is wrong. Any AMD graphics with GCN architecture will benefit from Mantle. Including HD 7000s. At least most of them. I agree that percentage may vary.

It was some sort of irony fwiw.
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Again, how do you know that?

There seems to be a lot of misinformation going around here ):

By looking at the article, y'know.
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This is wrong. Any AMD graphics with GCN architecture will benefit from Mantle. Including HD 7000s. At least most of them. I agree that percentage may vary.

Mantle is not bound to any architecture, any......

If Nvidia wanted, they could allow their GPUs to work with Mantle.

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amds-mantle-does-not-require-gpus-with-gcn-architecture/
    
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Originally Posted by adridu59 View Post

It was some sort of irony fwiw.
By looking at the article, y'know.

What article?
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Mantle is not bound to any architecture, any......

If Nvidia wanted, they could allow their GPUs to work with Mantle.

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/amds-mantle-does-not-require-gpus-with-gcn-architecture/

Not that simple, yes Mantle is being developed with the necessary abstraction to support other architectures/future architectures, but it's not "if NVIDIA wanted they could use Mantle", it's not like that at all.
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