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Originally Posted by SlackerITGuy View Post

So all you would need is a monitor that supports variable VBLANK?

Any where I could find a list?


I've done some searching and really can't find any, so I'm guessing not many.


From the article, it sounds like this is in the VERY preliminary stages, and it may already be too late for AMD and "FreeSync".

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The system on the left is limited to 30 fps given the heavy workload and v-sync being on, while the system on the right is able to vary its frame rate and synchronize presenting each frame to the display's refresh rate. AMD isn’t ready to productize this nor does it have a public go to market strategy, but my guess is we’ll see more panel vendors encouraged to include support for variable VBLANK and perhaps an eventual AMD driver update that enables control over this function.

Without a real product, drivers, marketing, etc. It's pretty much just a CES "cute" smoke and mirror. By the time AMD does something real with this, and lines up hardware vendors to make monitors to support VBLANK, I would guess than nVidia will have already a massive jump. After all, nVidia already has vendors lined up, hardware in place, drivers, everything. Honestly, I don't think AMD will be ready for 9-12 months, even if they jumped on it now. Given how often people buy new monitors, that could be a lifetime.


But it will be interesting to see how this pans out. Of course, there is nothing from stopping nVidia from using this technology either.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 1/7/14 at 3:35pm
post #212 of 388
Difficult to say though. But I suppose that if Freesync reaches the market we're going to get a fairly comprehensive list from vendors.
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I don't see what the fuss is about, to get rid of the stuttering all you have to do is spray some wd40 over your screen, then the frames move as they should.
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I've done some searching and really can't find any, so I'm guessing not many.


From the article, it sounds like this is in the VERY preliminary stages, and it may already be too late for AMD and "FreeSync".
Without a real product, drivers, marketing, etc. It's pretty much just a CES "cute" smoke and mirror. By the time AMD does something real with this, and lines up hardware vendors to make monitors to support VBLANK, I would guess than nVidia will have already a massive jump. After all, nVidia already has vendors lined up, hardware in place, drivers, everything. Honestly, I don't think AMD will be ready for 9-12 months, even if they jumped on it now. Given how often people buy new monitors, that could be a lifetime.


But it will be interesting to see how this pans out. Of course, there is nothing from stopping nVidia from using this technology either.

The thing is FreeSync may be widely adopted where as G-Sync is a specific and at extra cost.
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To those saying you'll need a new monitor, you'll also need a new monitor for G-SYNC unless you already have a VG248QE. So that's not a valid point. On the other hand FreeSync is free while G-SYNC comes at a premium. So in the end, FreeSync is cheaper.

Also I guess monitor sales will go down with 4K on the way, so being a little late won't be that bad for AMD this time around.
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I don't see what the fuss is about, to get rid of the stuttering all you have to do is spray some wd40 over your screen, then the frames move as they should.

Man i cant believe people don't know about this. With WD40 my card run butter smooth.
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I don't see what the fuss is about, to get rid of the stuttering all you have to do is spray some wd40 over your screen, then the frames move as they should.

Man i cant believe people don't know about this. With WD40 my card run butter smooth.

and BOTh of you need to keep that secret quite!

because nvidia will spend several millions of dollars in R&D that will add a proprietary ingredient, charge a 300% premium and call it NV-40.

then AMD will respond with no marketing or production plan, with promises of further development and call it WD-FREE!

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I don't think Free-sync is an actual item or fix. I think they showed this to prove or set in motion the fact that the idea Gsync uses is not new. But I think the bigger reason is that G-sync tech should be free. Why?
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This is what I think AMD was alluding to. Frame time issues are an inherent issue with GPUs and Monitors interfacing. Any such fix that gets the original result should not be proprietary and should be implemented on basis of "its how it should have been".
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This makes the most sense out of anything ive read in this thread. This isnt a product its just AMD letting everyone know gsync is something that should have been baseline in gpu/monitor tech for quite some time.

Come on guys, what have you been smoking?? And also: gimme some. biggrin.gif

If it should have been this way for quiet some time and if it really was so easy to do this with existing hardware (according to the freesync presentation). Why didn't they do this years earlier??

They're both big companies, and all they want is your money...
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The thing is FreeSync may be widely adopted where as G-Sync is a specific and at extra cost.

Yes, but the only question is, how much will it cost monitor manufacturers to implement VBLANK? I don't know the answer, but from what I'm gathering, not many monitors do VBLANKing, even though it is a standard. I have to wonder why. Does it add cost to the monitor to implement that standard? If so, how does that cost compare to G-Sync. Either way (VBLANK or G-Sync), odds are your existing monitor won't support either and you will have to get a new monitor.
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