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A new monitor yes, but you would not have to purchase a new monitor that also has a proprietary pcb inside that increases the cost.

 

Considering that FreeSync requires hardware support at the monitor level, its pretty much the exact same thing as G-Sync. Which means desktop monitor vendors would have to incorporate another piece of hardware in their monitors, a-la G-Sync. Yeah, it won't have Nvidia branding (proprietary), but its still going to add additional cost.
 
And when it comes down to it from a monitor vendor perspective: Do you want to support the tech that has 62% of the market backing it (Nvidia dGPU Marketshare)? Or do you want to support the tech that has 38% of the market backing it (AMD dGPU Marketshare)? Barring support from either market-share supporting the opposing implementation.
 
From a business perspective, it would be stupid to support the smaller market.
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If you cant beat them join them. I am not sure how long you can make the money back if you mine with 290 right now. I would not thing more then 2 weeks.


Hmmm 2 weeks? that's short of period.
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Considering that FreeSync requires hardware support at the monitor level, its pretty much the exact same thing as G-Sync. Which means desktop monitor vendors would have to incorporate another piece of hardware in their monitors, a-la G-Sync. Yeah, it won't have Nvidia branding (proprietary), but its still going to add additional cost.

And when it comes down to it from a monitor vendor perspective: Do you want to support the tech that has 62% of the market backing it (Nvidia dGPU Marketshare)? Or do you want to support the tech that has 38% of the market backing it (AMD dGPU Marketshare)? Barring support from either market-share supporting the opposing implementation.

From a business perspective, it would be stupid to support the smaller market.

If notebook displays already have it then the technology is economical. Notebook displays are cheap with the majority of them costing around $50 - $100 dollars to replace. That's not even production cost, that's purchasing from a online retailer as a consumer.

Edit: G-Sync seems to be targeting high end monitors with a high end price tag with a solution that only works on high end GPU's. So far FreeSync is demonstrated on a notebook display with a low end Kabini APU.

HEDT Sales are a niche market, so G-Sync may be a niche product for a niche market. Meanwhile, Freesync could become a economical solution across all lcd manufacturers. Including Notebooks, Tablets, and All in one Desktops. Who would have the market share in that scenario?
Edited by Papadope - 1/6/14 at 10:43pm
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And when it comes down to it from a monitor vendor perspective: Do you want to support the tech that has 62% of the market backing it (Nvidia dGPU Marketshare)? Or do you want to support the tech that has 38% of the market backing it (AMD dGPU Marketshare)? Barring support from either market-share supporting the opposing implementation.

From a business perspective, it would be stupid to support the smaller market.

What? AMD has more market share than Nvidia has as a whole. And that's not even including millions of Consoles (XBOX1, PS4 and latest mac pro) attached to TV`s/monitors etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_sales_leaders_by_year#Ranking_for_year_2012

http://www.dvhardware.net/article58371.html

The Discrete gpu market is more like 40/60 and AMD gaining fast with all the mining going on. Nvidia will lose market share bcoz of Intel gaining in GPU performance also on their ultra-book, AIO etc. Cant wait for next results
Edited by badrapper - 1/6/14 at 10:51pm
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From a business perspective, it would be stupid to support the smaller market.

From a business perspective, it's stupid not to support both.
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What? AMD has more market share than Nvidia has as a whole. And that's not even including millions of Consoles (XBOX1 and PS4) attached to TV`s etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_sales_leaders_by_year#Ranking_for_year_2012

http://www.dvhardware.net/article58371.html

 

dGPU, if you actually read my comment. I.e. the part of the market that is actively following/wanting/generally-the-ones-who-actually-care-about this technology.

 

*As of November 2013 (current marketshare data point), AMD holds 22% of the marketshare of combined graphics chips (dGPU/iGPU/etc.), with Nvidia holding 16.2%. In terms of dGPU shipments, AMD actually declined 3.1%, and Nvidia gained 8.2% to boot. And that is the market demographic that holds the most importance in regards to this technology.

 

 

Your average user on an iGPU (APUs) isn't going to give much of two hoots about G-Sync/FreeSync. That demographic either is oblivious to the technology and what it does, or just doesn't have a GPU workload large enough to warrant this tech (and by workload, I mean crap like flash games, surfing the web).

 

*Source: JonPeddie Research, November 2013

 

 

 

 

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From a business perspective, it's stupid not to support both.
 
It would be cost prohibitive to the consumer to support both, as both implementations of this tech require hardware level support from either side. SO you'd be paying for a G-sync module, and a FreeSync module (realistically hardware that supports the VESA standard, but I'm just gonna call it the FreeSync module). That would put it outside of what the consumer would be willing to pay.

 

 

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Wait a second... is it possible that the APUs in consoles support freesync too? :O If so that could save this gen console gaming for me. Last-gen was way too stuttery and choppy for me.
 
You would need hardware level support in whatever display you are using, would need driver level support for whatever GPGPU you are using, which would mean yes, you could have this technology with a console......if your actual display had the hardware capable of using this.

Edited by Kinaesthetic - 1/6/14 at 11:05pm
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What? AMD has more market share than Nvidia has as a whole. And that's not even including millions of Consoles (XBOX1, PS4 and latest mac pro) attached to TV`s/monitors etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_sales_leaders_by_year#Ranking_for_year_2012

http://www.dvhardware.net/article58371.html

The Discrete gpu market is more like 40/60 and AMD gaining fast with all the mining going on. Nvidia will lose market share bcoz of Intel gaining in GPU performance also on their ultra-book, AIO etc. Cant wait for next results

Wait a second... is it possible that the APUs in consoles support freesync too? :O If so that could save this gen console gaming for me. Last-gen was way too stuttery and choppy for me.
     
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dGPU, 

Stop changing the goal posts. Your comment was on market share and that monitor makers only care about numbers. I showed you that more people are using AMD including people using consoles. The people with consoles are not noobs as you imply (far from it). Dont forget mobiles users will also benefit.
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Wait a second... is it possible that the APUs in consoles support freesync too? :O If so that could save this gen console gaming for me. Last-gen was way too stuttery and choppy for me.
Possible, but you'd still need a freesync compatible tv/monitor, and compatible drivers.
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Anyway to check if my monitors have the requirement?
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