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What I'm really looking forward to in a Steam Machine is a very small streaming box. If they can make a good streaming box, but smaller than a mITX build, I'd be all over it.
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I really wasn't a fan of the piston. To clarify my previous post I'd really like to see steam machines based around the mitx form factor. Anything smaller than that is going into mobile territory and the price/performance ration drops significantly. (The Scan NC10 is a prime example of this.) What would be nice is something slightly smaller than an xboxone, perhaps with an external power supply like the Alienware box, where you can slide in and out GPU, RAM, CPU, and HDD modules. Tech savvy users could of course open up the modules and install there own standard components, or the modules could be bought at bestbuy or futureshop for the layman to simply insert into the consolepc. Something like that would bring a customizable console based on linux to the completely tech ignorant.
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I really wasn't a fan of the piston. To clarify my previous post I'd really like to see steam machines based around the mitx form factor. Anything smaller than that is going into mobile territory and the price/performance ration drops significantly. (The Scan NC10 is a prime example of this.) What would be nice is something slightly smaller than an xboxone, perhaps with an external power supply like the Alienware box, where you can slide in and out GPU, RAM, CPU, and HDD modules. Tech savvy users could of course open up the modules and install there own standard components, or the modules could be bought at bestbuy or futureshop for the layman to simply insert into the consolepc. Something like that would bring a customizable console based on linux to the completely tech ignorant.
http://kotaku.com/xi3-piston-why-you-should-stay-away-from-the-not-steam-1442597381
I thought I remembered sharing a video where Gaben said piston is not a valve authorized steam machine
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I really wasn't a fan of the piston. To clarify my previous post I'd really like to see steam machines based around the mitx form factor. Anything smaller than that is going into mobile territory and the price/performance ration drops significantly. (The Scan NC10 is a prime example of this.) What would be nice is something slightly smaller than an xboxone, perhaps with an external power supply like the Alienware box, where you can slide in and out GPU, RAM, CPU, and HDD modules. Tech savvy users could of course open up the modules and install there own standard components, or the modules could be bought at bestbuy or futureshop for the layman to simply insert into the consolepc. Something like that would bring a customizable console based on linux to the completely tech ignorant.

going smaller wont necessarily go into mobile parts. just that boards are designed smaller and more effective like for example a mac mini or the new mac pro and not use a standard board layout

itx form factor is still pretty large especially once you throw a dedicated GPU to it


im sure you get what you want with ITX builds that you can do it yourself but there are other markets too that prefer something small without sacrificing performance and willing to pay for it. for me i really dont care about price / performance ratio but rather size / performance

i'm the type that believe in form factor over anything else and price is irreverent and yes the xi3 is worth every $$ in my eyes
Edited by akromatic - 1/12/14 at 10:45pm
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Extremely disappointing. That 100 dollars off for the lack of an OS was just eaten up with royalty costs. The only machine that looks interestingly competitive is iBuyPower and Zotac options. Even then, the price is well over what they are competing with, especially with the current performance issues SteamOS is running into being 50% slower on average.

Steam Box = Over priced hardware + more expensive then your Console + limited games + poor performance + an amazing controller. (That is the current status of Steam Box and Steam OS - you'd be crazy to argue otherwise).
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going smaller wont necessarily go into mobile parts. just that boards are designed smaller and more effective like for example a mac mini or the new mac pro and not use a standard board layout

itx form factor is still pretty large especially once you throw a dedicated GPU to it


im sure you get what you want with ITX builds that you can do it yourself but there are other markets too that prefer something small without sacrificing performance and willing to pay for it. for me i really dont care about price / performance ratio but rather size / performance

i'm the type that believe in form factor over anything else and price is irreverent and yes the xi3 is worth every $$ in my eyes

I think you'll be seeing a lot of interesting form factors coming out at even cheaper price points. Chips like bay trail, and AMD's beema and Mullins are much more interesting than expensive laptop chips and gpus.
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I think you'll be seeing a lot of interesting form factors coming out at even cheaper price points. Chips like bay trail, and AMD's beema and Mullins are much more interesting than expensive laptop chips and gpus.

interesting form factors yes but srsly are you on crack? baytrail? its an atom processor for the mobile hardly for real gaming. not saying that its not gaming capable but its only just good enough to run 720p tf2 on low. why are you quoting low performance atom class CPUs for netbooks?

i much prefer an expensive laptop quad core over something gutless like baytrail, dont mind laptop GPUs ether as long as they offer the same performance as a mid range desktop can offer. something like a 780m sounds right. like i said i dont care about price at all as long as i get maximum performance in an as small as possible for factor that is aesthetically pleasing


i'm all for technology breakthrough , having a weak architecture , drop its performance and power usage and recycling chips is hardly worth noting
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You have to think about price. Why would you put a 780m into a steambox for a ridiculous price premium over what the equivalent desktop component would be. Doesn't make sense. But you could probably stick a bay trail steam machine onto the market for less than 100 dollars. Sure it wouldn't play much more than 2d games, but you could game stream to it, and use it as a media player. Even nicer would be amd apu's like beema and mullins. Maybe I'm wrong but the way I see it is most powerful laptop chips seem to come with a huge price premium over their desktop counterparts. That means either go full mitx with short gpu's for performance/pricelike this:




or go fully in the other direction to apu's like this:

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to some price is nothing as long as they get what they want and form factor is that

i'm more then willing to pay easily 3-5 times what a desktop would cost for a mobile part if it offers me equivalent performance that fits in the palm of my hands or pocket

ITX + GPU is just too big and APU lacks performance
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Yeah it and the alienware are probably closest in retaining the spirit of valves prototype. Even so knowing Alienwares and the X51 its probably going to be hugely overpriced. Something like $1000 for i3 2100 + GTX 660.

Well its not like the IBuyPower is the worlds best deal either a having 500GB HDD, 4GB RAM, quad-core Athlon X4 740 CPU, and a Radeon R7 260X graphics card, Price $500 but it is at least somewhat reasonable. I think they could have squeezed some better hardware in there and still made an profit. I mean the retail price difference between the R7 260X and R9 270 is $45 but the R9 270 is a way nicer card. I hope they at least give you the option to swap out the 260X with out ripping you off.
Yeah Alienware would be my second best looking box too. Athlon? Those still exist? tongue.gif
I probably missed some info about Steam boxes but can't we just use our own computer with Steam OS and their controller? Or do Steam machines offer some some of other advantages over regular PCs?
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