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these gridseed are going to put a huge dent in scrypt frown.gif
guess we have to wait and see how long they will last and what other asics will hit

Well maybe not, I have a feeling there is WAY to many scrypt crypto-currencies for ASICs to punch a hole in GPU mining profitability, plus the high price for the ASICs means GPU mining will still be what your average joe is doing for scrypt mining. ASICs are great if you have a hundred or so cards and power/performance is more of a factor than price/performance, but your average joe who's just doing this to pay for their PC building hobbies and what not isn't going to sink that kind of money into a miner. SHA-256 died because ASICs, while being expensive, still provide more price/performance per unit.
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Scrypt ASIC have hit the market hard wink.gif Now these online stores are dropping prices to even SELL a few gpu's

It's comical.

Newegg selling R9 270's for $170 LOL......

It's because GTX 750 Ti is more efficient so your running cost is lower (doubly so in summer)

The issue with R9 290 and R9 290X MSRP is apparent now:

AMD didn't produce enough so their lower than expected MSRP (everyone expected close to $500 for R9 290 and ~$600 for R9 290X) has them in a undersupply / supply shortage

If you go by price of comparables, R9 290 ~ GTX 780 and R9 290X ~ GTX 780 Ti (but not quite)

R9 280X, R9 280, R9 270X, R7 265, R7 260X all are cash grabs however.
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It's because GTX 750 Ti is more efficient so your running cost is lower (doubly so in summer)

The issue with R9 290 and R9 290X MSRP is apparent now:

AMD didn't produce enough so their lower than expected MSRP (everyone expected close to $500 for R9 290 and ~$600 for R9 290X) has them in a undersupply / supply shortage

If you go by price of comparables, R9 290 ~ GTX 780 and R9 290X ~ GTX 780 Ti (but not quite)

R9 280X, R9 280, R9 270X, R7 265, R7 260X all are cash grabs however.

750ti don't really save as much as what you think.

I will summarize real quick

270 - 120-150w - 425-500kh/s ( respectively ) $170-210
750ti - 50w - 250-330kh/s ( respectively ) $150-175

To achieve the same hashrate on 750ti to match 270, you will never save a dollar. Regardless of the power costs, the more you use the more the power cost will scale and result in even a further loss.
Yes I know people pay different amount of power, generally you will stay within the same tier unless your spending many thousands of dollars on either. It's really hard to beat a 270 in $/hash/kWr. 750ti nowhere close to being worth buying in big farms frown.gif

$340-420- 940kh/s 300w @ 0.09kWh =0.47..... $14.1month x 12 - $169.2 yr of power
$450-510 - 990kh/s 180w @ 0.09kWh =0.28........... $8.4month x 12 - $100.8 yr of power

Saving $69.6 of power in one year with an additional $90 to purchase the cards to match hashrate = a loss.

If you try t o achieve 10mh in 750ti to match 10mh in 270 you will take an even further loss with the amount of mobo, cpu, ram, risers, and psu that you will need to buy

Unless nvidia steps up maxwell, the only way a 750ti is good is if you don't actually own a small farm or plan on hashing hard
  
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You need to factor in cooling cost too , it's close to summer.

0.09/kwh is quite cheap, some people pay $0.15 or more

source http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_06_a
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You need to factor in cooling cost too , it's close to summer.

0.09/kwh is quite cheap, some people pay $0.15 or more

source http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_06_a
i know i know, different power, it's still thin ice.. really falls on the lines of small farm or expandable farm. 750ti's are great if kept within one mobo where everything was snagged at a savings, doing a 10 mobo rig with 750tis becomes a different story

the second you try to get a few megahashes, even at 0.15 the extra hardware will cost you enough to offset the savings..

$340-420- 940kh/s 300w @ 0.15kWh =0.47..... $32.4month x 12 - $388.8 yr of power
$450-510 - 990kh/s 180w @ 0.15kWh =0.28........... $19.5month x 12 - $234 yr of power
$154.8 power savings - $90 initial hardware cost = $64.8 savings per year

You'll save $64.8 , thats not bad, but if you expand the hashrate you won't save anything.

6x450kh/s 270's will be 8 750ti's doing 330kh/s or 9 at 300kh/s or 11 at 250kh/s
clock those 270's to hit 480-500kh/s and your talking about 2 extra mobo, cpu, ram, and multiple power supplies to match the hashrate so the savings wont be there.
EVEN if the 270's scale to tier 2 pricing, there is a big chance a lower hashrate at tier 1 will still cost more with the added hardware

5x 270 @ $175=$875 doing 480kh/s = 2.4mh/s
8x 750ti @ $165=$1320 doing 300kh/s = 2.4mh/s
$445 in gpu costs, factor in reliable mobo,cpu,ram, and psu and power saving is last thing on your mind
gets real bad each megahash it grows frown.gif
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Well looks like the cards are back to normal price, on eBay at least, so newegg and all that should follow soon if not done already!
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Do you thing that 398 EUR is a good price for a GB R9 290 OC (WF3 cooling)? I have one of those but i am thinking to take one more for a new rig?

Please answer my question... smile.gif

Is it worth it to take it for 390-400EUR?
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Please answer my question... smile.gif

Is it worth it to take it for 390-400EUR?

400Euro is what, roughly 550 USD? A reference R9 290X has an MSRP of around that, not worth it IMHO, you could just get an R9 290X for that price. Not sure about whether the non reference cards are that much more though, I'm a watercooling guy I always go for reference boards.
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It costs 540 USD in my country. The most cheap 290X costs 695 USD. That's why i want to take a 290.
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It costs 540 USD in my country. The most cheap 290X costs 695 USD. That's why i want to take a 290.

Overpriced INHO, but others might say differently. In the end it's up to you, do you want to pay more to get the card now, or wait until the price drops a little and get it later.
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