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I don't even consider the stock cooler when buying cards now.. mostly go for a reference pcb for watercooling purposes. They are all too loud for my taste. Even universal waterblocks or the red mod and passive cooling on vrm's and memory is a huge improvement in sound and cooling. Seems that if you truly want to unlock the potential of these cards you are going to need more cooling than even non reference air coolers provide and will likely experience throttling even at stock clocks.
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The PCS is apparently a bad OCer though. Numerous users on here have reported less than stellar OC results. The tradeoff for that is you get the best aftermarket air cooler of any of the cards.

The variance can't really be blamed on PCS specifically though. There is a lot of variance from Hawaii to Hawaii, like take the ASUS DCU2 that I sold: ASUS used a pretty stout power configuration (6+2+2) and most others use less (5+1+1), I know for sure the PCS uses that config... But even with the extra power, ASUS puts Elpida in the DCU2 and the one that I had wouldn't overclock 50 mhz on either core or memory, after multiple attempts with ASUS GPUtweak and MSI Afterburner, and incremental increases of everything and anything.

Board-for-board, if you want to OC your 290x you just look for one with Hynix memory and cross your fingers that the one you get isn't a dog-overclocker.
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Not really relevant to the 290s, but I was interested in getting a 280X (losing my patience) and was wondering what your opinions may be on whether those may ever drop below ~$350 (preferably a Windforce or DCUII) anytime soon (or in the case of the Gigabyte on Newegg, if it will be in stock again at the price soon)? The set MSRP for the new 280s has me believing 280X prices are as low as they're going to go in any reasonable time span.
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The variance can't really be blamed on PCS specifically though. There is a lot of variance from Hawaii to Hawaii, like take the ASUS DCU2 that I sold: ASUS used a pretty stout power configuration (6+2+2) and most others use less (5+1+1), I know for sure the PCS uses that config... But even with the extra power, ASUS puts Elpida in the DCU2 and the one that I had wouldn't overclock 50 mhz on either core or memory, after multiple attempts with ASUS GPUtweak and MSI Afterburner, and incremental increases of everything and anything.

Board-for-board, if you want to OC your 290x you just look for one with Hynix memory and cross your fingers that the one you get isn't a dog-overclocker.

Does Asus use the same VRAM on their reference boards as their DCUII? I have their reference board and I clocked the memory up to 1500mem clock, 6000effective mem clock without any issue. In fact I could have pushed it up to 1625 but I couldn't find a happy balance ratio on my doge coin miner with that memclock.
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Not really relevant to the 290s, but I was interested in getting a 280X (losing my patience) and was wondering what your opinions may be on whether those may ever drop below ~$350 (preferably a Windforce or DCUII) anytime soon (or in the case of the Gigabyte on Newegg, if it will be in stock again at the price soon)? The set MSRP for the new 280s has me believing 280X prices are as low as they're going to go in any reasonable time span.

Grab some 2nd hand nvidia card. You can have GTX 780 at a great price (~400) and 770 around (~240). The GTX 780 OC will beat any R9 290(X) OC granted the 780 can clock much higher.
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_gtx_780/
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/radeon_r9_290x/

The air/water clock aren't far apart but the LN2 shows how well the 780 clock while the R9 290x can't do much more than 1300 - which is what better than average (asic 75+%) gtx 780 do on air.
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Grab some 2nd hand nvidia card. You can have GTX 780 at a great price (~400) and 770 around (~240). The GTX 780 OC will beat any R9 290(X) OC granted the 780 can clock much higher.
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_gtx_780/
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/radeon_r9_290x/

The air/water clock aren't far apart but the LN2 shows how well the 780 clock while the R9 290x can't do much more than 1300 - which is what better than average (asic 75+%) gtx 780 do on air.

But then how will I play games with TrueAudio and Mantle?
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Ouch.. the 290 Tri-X is 619$ on Newegg too, that's absolutely terrible.

The good news is I just bought my 290 Tri-X for 470$, 20$ over MSRP, should be here Friday (mostly just my wishful thinking, I have no idea when), or Monday. I'll let you all know how shopblt goes and if they handle packaging good.
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Grab some 2nd hand nvidia card. You can have GTX 780 at a great price (~400) and 770 around (~240). The GTX 780 OC will beat any R9 290(X) OC granted the 780 can clock much higher.
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_gtx_780/
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/radeon_r9_290x/

The air/water clock aren't far apart but the LN2 shows how well the 780 clock while the R9 290x can't do much more than 1300 - which is what better than average (asic 75+%) gtx 780 do on air.

what about 7/24 clocks? afaik, the 780 has to oc at least 100MHz more to beat a 290. so, a 290 at 1100 is about equal to a 780 at 1200 or more.

edit: i agree. suicide runs . . . yeah, the 780 but not just any 780. classified or lightning.
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But then how will I play games with TrueAudio and Mantle?

Mantle is doomed:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1475777/nvidias-blog-gdc-nvidia-amd-intel-explain-how-opengl-can-unlock-7-15x-performance-gains#post_21982627

I was a big AMD fan and was planning to grab a R9 290 but I am settling down on a gtx 780 classified hydro copper. For the same price I get a card that can overclock to the sky and is watercooled! True audio isn't very appealing for me so I think this question is a personal preference.
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Grab some 2nd hand nvidia card. You can have GTX 780 at a great price (~400) and 770 around (~240). The GTX 780 OC will beat any R9 290(X) OC granted the 780 can clock much higher.
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_gtx_780/
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/radeon_r9_290x/

The air/water clock aren't far apart but the LN2 shows how well the 780 clock while the R9 290x can't do much more than 1300 - which is what better than average (asic 75+%) gtx 780 do on air.
Believe you need to take a look at some other benchmarks. Your logic isn't sound at all. You can't compare these clock for clock. A lower clocked 290X can easily trounce a 780 and 780ti at comparative clocks. It takes a highly clocked nonref 780ti to beat a mildly (1250)oc'd 290x. And guess what? The True oc'ing AMD cards are just coming out. ( Lightning/Matrix). I'm in no way a fanboi. I have both a 780ti Kingpin and a 290x Lightning. I enjoy all cards. However, what your saying is far from truth.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1361939/top-30-3dmark11-scores-for-single-dual-tri-quad
    
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Mantle is doomed:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1475777/nvidias-blog-gdc-nvidia-amd-intel-explain-how-opengl-can-unlock-7-15x-performance-gains#post_21982627

I was a big AMD fan and was planning to grab a R9 290 but I am settling down on a gtx 780 classified hydro copper. For the same price I get a card that can overclock to the sky and is watercooled! True audio isn't very appealing for me so I think this question is a personal preference.

mantle maybe doomed to some like you but it will always be an option to others.

here. beat this when you get your 780 . . .

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7748506

you prolly need 1450MHz on the core and it will but you'll prolly have to replace the bios.
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