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I'm on the totally opposite end of medium for backup...I'm looking at archival grade or mdisc. I don't have the best luck with drives and plus keeping them in sync is often a pain as I always fear that I might have made changes to the drive in my computer that I don't want and want to keep that file(s) on the 2 externals I'm syncing to.

PS: So far, 10 since 2008 drives I've either bought or encountered from pretty much all the big brands and models have that lovely 90s grinding sound brand new and yet have no bad sectors, reallocations, and work at reported speeds. What is up with the HDD industry these days?
     
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PS: So far, 10 since 2008 drives I've either bought or encountered from pretty much all the big brands and models have that lovely 90s grinding sound brand new and yet have no bad sectors, reallocations, and work at reported speeds. What is up with the HDD industry these days?

You mean that grinding sound that comes usually at startup and occasionally if a lot of random data is accessed rapidly around the drive? Well, there wont come any change into this, since it's mechanical motion causing this, as the head is jumping around the drive reading/writing. Only way to avoid this would be by "smoothing" the movement of the head, which would result in greatly increased access times, which are already horrible on HDDs. rolleyes.gif

I know this sound exists, but I haven't heard it in maybe 10 years or so, since all my cases since then have been sound insulated. Either built-in, or added some sound-isolation material around the case. biggrin.gif
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Well the restore has completed and integrity has been verified. I've also received the new disks for the array. Lets hope the next 4 rebuilds go to plan with the new disks smile.gif
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You mean that grinding sound that comes usually at startup and occasionally if a lot of random data is accessed rapidly around the drive? Well, there wont come any change into this, since it's mechanical motion causing this, as the head is jumping around the drive reading/writing. Only way to avoid this would be by "smoothing" the movement of the head, which would result in greatly increased access times, which are already horrible on HDDs. rolleyes.gif

I know this sound exists, but I haven't heard it in maybe 10 years or so, since all my cases since then have been sound insulated. Either built-in, or added some sound-isolation material around the case. biggrin.gif

Well, I know they'd make drive but this is that kind that almost sounds as loud as a floppy drive. But, I'm just waiting to get the money together for something either mdisk or archival grade. Though, the only archival grade bluray I found had one really bad review with a 50/50 burn success so I'm not sure I'd go for that yet as it was about $88 for a set of 10 or 20. Makes me wonder if a couple of flash drives wouldn't be such a bad idea.
     
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You mean that grinding sound that comes usually at startup and occasionally if a lot of random data is accessed rapidly around the drive? Well, there wont come any change into this, since it's mechanical motion causing this, as the head is jumping around the drive reading/writing. Only way to avoid this would be by "smoothing" the movement of the head, which would result in greatly increased access times, which are already horrible on HDDs. rolleyes.gif

I know this sound exists, but I haven't heard it in maybe 10 years or so, since all my cases since then have been sound insulated. Either built-in, or added some sound-isolation material around the case. biggrin.gif

Well, I know they'd make drive but this is that kind that almost sounds as loud as a floppy drive. But, I'm just waiting to get the money together for something either mdisk or archival grade. Though, the only archival grade bluray I found had one really bad review with a 50/50 burn success so I'm not sure I'd go for that yet as it was about $88 for a set of 10 or 20. Makes me wonder if a couple of flash drives wouldn't be such a bad idea.

From my experience, high-performance drives make even louder noise than most floppy drives, since the head moves incredibly fast. Lets assume an average access time to be 8ms for a high performance drive. The average rotational latency is around 4ms for a 7200rpm drive (average time it takes for the platter to spin to the correct position). This leaves 4ms for the head movement. lets say the head gotta move 2cm to its destination, assuming I calculated right, that means 5 meters per second. And if the Disk Active Time is 100% (which is commonly the case at early startup, or when you read lots of data from around the disk) it means that the head moves almost nonstop at this speed, and that obviously can't be dead silent. biggrin.gif

Flash drives indeed wouldn't be a bad idea, they are very reliable compared to other common media like hard disks or regular cheap dvds. Especially if kept offline when not needed (not powered 24/7) they last for ages. rolleyes.gif
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Unfortunately, flash drives aren't ready for primetime yet. Imagine what 4TB plus would cost!
     
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Unfortunately, flash drives aren't ready for primetime yet. Imagine what 4TB plus would cost!

LOL. The things I need backed up for certainty aren't that big in size. Mostly I'm interested in small file size things like my school work and financials and maybe just a few back ups for some games. My "permanent" storage needs are for things I can't get back or even buy later/again.
     
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I've been wondering about the difference in reliability between the 4TB WD SEs and the Blacks for non-RAID use. Seems the newer Blacks are getting slightly better reviews. I'll probably being buying either a 4TB SE or Black later this year (and 4 4TB Greens for backups).

I doubt they're as good as an equivalent 1TB platter drive, but the 800GB platters gave a well-needed performance boost and the firmware is very refined. They're on par with Blues IIRC or maybe a tad worse. It's the FZEX models, just remember that.
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I doubt they're as good as an equivalent 1TB platter drive, but the 800GB platters gave a well-needed performance boost and the firmware is very refined. They're on par with Blues IIRC or maybe a tad worse. It's the FZEX models, just remember that.

The 2TB Black FAEX and FASS HDDs I have now are plenty snappy for me. The newer Black FZEX should also be pretty fast, even at 4 TB, plus I need the capacity. In theory, the SE should be more reliable but, after comparing the specs that Sean provided (btw, thanks, Sean), I'm thinking the Black FZEX might be better suited for my needs. Price isn't an issue since they are usually within $10 of each other; yesterday, they were the same price at the Fresh Henfruit company.
     
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LOL. The things I need backed up for certainty aren't that big in size. Mostly I'm interested in small file size things like my school work and financials and maybe just a few back ups for some games. My "permanent" storage needs are for things I can't get back or even buy later/again.

LOL! I'm a retiree on a fixed income so paying for things more than once is not a desirable option.
     
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