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But again: with the GTX 780s left at their factory settings and with the 2600K at 5 GHz, your gaming power consumption would never go above 600W. Is your 2600K overclocked? Have you changed any of the GTX 780's factory settings?
no my cpu is not overclocked as of yet but when I do I am only overclocking it to 4.4ghz I am just going by the psu calculator and its telling me for my system if I overclock my cpu I need 900 watts so I am being safe and getting a 1000 watt power supply after I get my refund for this corsair hx1050 .
    
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ii have x2 evga gtx 780 sc acx's in sli I all ready know I am getting a evga supernova 1000 watt g2 or p2 if they are not available I am getting the cooler master v1000


YOU DO NOT NEED 1000 WATTS FOR THAT SYSTEM, Hell i barely need 1000 for THREE 7970s.
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I ordered the cooler master v1000 I should get it thursday
    
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no my cpu is not overclocked as of yet but when I do I am only overclocking it to 4.4ghz I am just going by the psu calculator and its telling me for my system if I overclock my cpu I need 900 watts so I am being safe and getting a 1000 watt power supply after I get my refund for this corsair hx1050 .

 

That calculator is dead wrong and I'll prove it:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_780_sli_review,4.html

 

With two GTX 780s under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 544W from the wall outlet. Their CPU was idling, so if you overclock the 2600K to only 4.4 GHz and have it under full load at the same time as the two GTX 780s, then it would add about 125W thereby making the PSU pull 669W from the wall outlet. This means that if your PSU were 90% efficient while pulling 669W from the wall outlet, then your computer would be pulling 602W from the PSU. Your gaming power draw would only peak at around 550W.  Therefore (continue below)

 

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I ordered the cooler master v1000 I should get it thursday

 

...you just wasted your money. :( You could have and should have purchased a good 650W PSU. It would maximize your efficiency and it would cost you a lot less money, like $100 less.

 

Anyway, which calculator did you use that said you need 900W?! That's just ridiculous.

 

(yes, I'm a little bit hurt that you didn't listen, that you believed some silly calculator instead)


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...you just wasted your money. frown.gif You could have and should have purchased a good 650W PSU. It would maximize your efficiency and it would cost you a lot less money, like $100 less.

Anyway, which calculator did you use that said you need 900W?! That's just ridiculous.

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I really don't think a 650 watt power supply would be enough . because if I was pulling 602 watts . 602 watts is about 95% of a 650 watt power supplies full capacity and there is no power supply that can run at 95% of its max capacity for extended periods of time . and not only that a power supply will deliver less power the longer you have it turned on . that's why they say the power requirements are higher then what they really are for example if a graphic card was to need 800 watts of power the manufacturer of that graphic card would recommend a 900 watt power supply . and in this case NVidia is recommending 850 watts which probably means I really only need 750 watts . I could of got away with using a 750 watt power supply but why would I want to push my power supply so hard for . I used extreme power supply calculator
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...you just wasted your money. frown.gif You could have and should have purchased a good 650W PSU. It would maximize your efficiency and it would cost you a lot less money, like $100 less.

Anyway, which calculator did you use that said you need 900W?! That's just ridiculous.

(yes, I'm a little bit hurt that you didn't listen, that you believed some silly calculator instead)
I should of kept my ocz zx 850 watt power supply . and I would have kept it if I would have known how much louder the corsair hx1050 watt is but I cant do nothing about that now because I sold my ocz zx 850 watt to a friend .
    
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I really don't think a 650 watt power supply would be enough . because if I was pulling 602 watts . 602 watts is about 95% of a 650 watt power supplies full capacity and there is no power supply that can run at 95% of its max capacity for extended periods of time . and not only that a power supply will deliver less power the longer you have it turned on . that's why they say the power requirements are higher then what they really are for example if a graphic card was to need 800 watts of power the manufacturer of that graphic card would recommend a 900 watt power supply . and in this case NVidia is recommending 850 watts which probably means I really only need 750 watts . I could of got away with using a 750 watt power supply but why would I want to push my power supply so hard for . I used extreme power supply calculator

 

602W is not what your computer would be pulling from the PSU in real-world situations , like gaming (and I did mean to say "from the PSU", not "from the wall outlet" - I edited my post just now). Again, it would be closer to about 550W. Therefore, a good 650W PSU would be the perfect fit. Or, if that's too uncomfortable for you (technically, it's extremely comfortable for a good 650W PSU), then go with a 750W PSU, but anything bigger than that is absolutely unnecessary extremely excessive overkill - and a waste of money. :(

 

Also, the the capacity of the kind of PSUs we are talking about is not the PSU's absolute max capacity. It is what the PSU can easily deliver 24/7 should it ever be required of it. That 5 or 7-year warranty you see on these PSUs covers that potential usage. The PSU is designed for it. It's not a cheap PSU. It's an enthusiast-class PSU:

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/928113/a-message-to-the-community-on-enthusiast-power-supplies

 

The PSU requirements stated by both NVIDIA and AMD (and many professional review sites) are for peak-rated PSUs, not continuous-rated PSUs. We are discussing good continuous-rated PSUs in this thread, not cheap peak-rated PSUs. As a general rule of thumb, multiply the recommendation by .72 to find what the typical peak-rated PSU's +12V capacity is and this will tell you what good continuous-rated PSU you could use. For example, 850W. 850 times .72 is 612W. Divide that by 12 for +12V power, and you get 51, but 51A is not a common +12V capacity. However, 52A is, so multiply 50 by 12 and we get 624W, which is a VERY common +12V capacity for some decent (but not great) 650W PSUs. The kind of 650W PSUs I would be recommending have a +12V capacity of 648W - a full 36W above that estimation that came from the 850W recommendation. Again though, your total power consumption while gaming would peak at about 550W. Or, hey, maybe it would do an extreme peak of 575W, but I doubt it.

 

Now, after having said all that, I have one last thing I want to show you. I respectfully request that you use the PSU calculator again, but this time click its built-in Print button and post a screenshot of that white page that gets generated. I want to show you why it gave you such an extremely high calculation and I want to show you how to get the most reasonably-accurate calculation from it as taught to me by some of the finest PSU experts that OCN has ever seen. I want to prove to you that I'm not just blowing smoke here and that you really could power this very easily with a good 650W PSU. I will even use their "Pro" calculator for you, which I have a subscription for.

 

Please do this so that this can be resolved.


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602W is not what your computer would be pulling from the PSU in real-world situations , like gaming (and I did mean to say "from the PSU", not "from the wall outlet" - I edited my post just now). Again, it would be closer to about 550W. Therefore, a good 650W PSU would be the perfect fit. Or, if that's too uncomfortable for you (technically, it's extremely comfortable for a good 650W PSU), then go with a 750W PSU, but anything bigger than that is absolutely unnecessary extremely excessive overkill - and a waste of money. frown.gif

Also, the the capacity of the kind of PSUs we are talking about is not the PSU's absolute max capacity. It is what the PSU can easily deliver 24/7 should it ever be required of it. That 5 or 7-year warranty you see on these PSUs covers that potential usage. The PSU is designed for it. It's not a cheap PSU. It's an enthusiast-class PSU:

http://www.overclock.net/t/928113/a-message-to-the-community-on-enthusiast-power-supplies

The PSU requirements stated by both NVIDIA and AMD (and many professional review sites) are for peak-rated PSUs, not continuous-rated PSUs. We are discussing good continuous-rated PSUs in this thread, not cheap peak-rated PSUs. As a general rule of thumb, multiply the recommendation by .72 to find what the typical peak-rated PSU's +12V capacity is and this will tell you what good continuous-rated PSU you could use. For example, 850W. 850 times .72 is 612W. Divide that by 12 for +12V power, and you get 51, but 51A is not a common +12V capacity. However, 52A is, so multiply 50 by 12 and we get 624W, which is a VERY common +12V capacity for some decent (but not great) 650W PSUs. The kind of 650W PSUs I would be recommending have a +12V capacity of 648W - a full 36W above that estimation that came from the 850W recommendation. Again though, your total power consumption while gaming would peak at about 550W. Or, hey, maybe it would do an extreme peak of 575W, but I doubt it.

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Oh, ok cool. You can also copy/paste just the text on that white page I mentioned.

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Oh, ok cool. You can also copy/paste just the text on that white page I mentioned.
can I just tell you what I put in the calculator and you do it in the calculator to and tell me what you come up with ? I will type it exactly how it is on the calculator sheet
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i7 4790k delid 4.8ghz msi z97 gaming 7 evga gtx 780 sc acx sli evga gtx 780 sc acx sli 
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kingston hyperx beast ddr3 2400 2x8 16gb ocz vector 512gb asus dvd rw x2 ek-fc780 gtx ti water blocks with back plates 
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ek supremacy evo alphacool st30 240mm alphacool st30 360mm xspc d5 vario 
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xspc d5 acrylic tank reservoir windows 8.1 full version qnix evolution 2 2560x1440 96hz gigabyte osmium cherry red 
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cooler master v1000 corsair air 540 zowie ec1 A artisan hien soft 
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asus xonar dx logitech z506 razer tiamat 7.1 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 4790k delid 4.8ghz msi z97 gaming 7 evga gtx 780 sc acx sli evga gtx 780 sc acx sli 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
kingston hyperx beast ddr3 2400 2x8 16gb ocz vector 512gb asus dvd rw x2 ek-fc780 gtx ti water blocks with back plates 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
ek supremacy evo alphacool st30 240mm alphacool st30 360mm xspc d5 vario 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
xspc d5 acrylic tank reservoir windows 8.1 full version qnix evolution 2 2560x1440 96hz gigabyte osmium cherry red 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
cooler master v1000 corsair air 540 zowie ec1 A artisan hien soft 
AudioAudioAudio
asus xonar dx logitech z506 razer tiamat 7.1 
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