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After many years in service, I retired my sig rig and gave it to my dad. Now I need to build a new one because I have nothing to game on. I just wanted some input on my choices before I drop the cash. I haven't really kept up on hardware in a LONG time, but I still know what I'm doing.

Firstly, I was thinking of going 4670K, but it exceeds my budget a little bit, so I decided to stick with a good 'ole AMD build, FX8350 to be exact.

Here's the list of stuff I have gathered.

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131851

Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284

PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139055

Memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231460

SSD (I have 2 HDDs for storage):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147192

Graphics will be a future upgrade, I have a 5770 right now that works fine until I can drop some extra cash to get something better.

Now my question is, with this setup, will I have room to overclock, I like fiddling around and with my previous build I couldn't overclock because my motherboard was "meh" at best. If I wanted to take the CPU to like 5GHz would I be able to do it (I do have a custom loop sitting in my case right now, with an AM2 block which I assume will fit AM3+, unless there's a huge difference).

Thanks for any input! Suggestions are also welcome!
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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2xtZr
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2xtZr/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2xtZr/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($149.99 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($114.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.97 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($96.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $508.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-07 20:16 EST-0500)

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2xucW
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2xucW/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2xucW/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z87 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.97 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $586.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-07 20:23 EST-0500)
Edited by PontiacGTX - 1/7/14 at 5:24pm
post #3 of 10
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Thanks for the lists, now for the water cooling.

Will my current block fit on an AM3+ motherboard? I had it on my Phenom X4 940 before, and that was AM2 or AM2+ I can't remember. The reason I ask is because it will save me like $100 on having to get a new block. I believe the exact block is an EK Supreme LT. It says on the box that it will fit AM3, but how about AM3+?
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Am2=Am2+=Am3=am3+

In the mounting holes of the motherboard
Edited by PontiacGTX - 1/7/14 at 5:42pm
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I am pretty sure that 939/am2/am2+/am3/am3+ are all the same.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

Am2=Am2+=Am3=am3+

In the mounting holes of the motherboard

Quote:
Originally Posted by mxfreek09 View Post

I am pretty sure that 939/am2/am2+/am3/am3+ are all the same.

Excellent, I figured as much, but had to double check anyway. Thanks for the replies guys, I'll be going with the AMD build in that case!
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Are you living in Chicago?, you have 2 MicroCenters, they have bundles and internet price match.
I know is freeze out there, but worth it...
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cs_maan,

Assuming you have the AMD version of the EK Supreme LT water block, it should fit fine on any modern AM3, AM3+, FM1, FM2, FM2+ socket board.


Under normal circumstances (starting from scratch on CPU cooling), the i5-4670K is not actually more expensive than the FX-8350 once the cost-to-implement is factored in. In your case though, re-using the CPU cooler would tip favor towards another AMD build.

I hear nothing but bad things about the RM series PSUs from our resident PSU guru's.

I don't believe there is a tangible benefit to using a Sammy Pro SSD in an ordinary desktop gaming rig. We're at a point now where almost ANY modern SSD provides 90% of the improvement in performance possible by using an SSD on a desktop rig, the remaining 10% or so is not really perceivable or appreciable to the desktop user. Benchmarks for SSDs are very misleading for desktop users. If this were a server with insane IO requirements the performance advantages of such an SSD would be more beneficial. My recommendation here would be a 240GB unit for $130, Rather than the "Pro" 128GB unit for $115.

What sort of GPU did you have your eyes on for when you do upgrade? Do you want a multiple GPU upgrade path? Do you want to be able to overclock and/or overvolt your GPUs?
     
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Quote:
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cs_maan,

Assuming you have the AMD version of the EK Supreme LT water block, it should fit fine on any modern AM3, AM3+, FM1, FM2, FM2+ socket board.


Under normal circumstances (starting from scratch on CPU cooling), the i5-4670K is not actually more expensive than the FX-8350 once the cost-to-implement is factored in. In your case though, re-using the CPU cooler would tip favor towards another AMD build.

I hear nothing but bad things about the RM series PSUs from our resident PSU guru's.

I don't believe there is a tangible benefit to using a Sammy Pro SSD in an ordinary desktop gaming rig. We're at a point now where almost ANY modern SSD provides 90% of the improvement in performance possible by using an SSD on a desktop rig, the remaining 10% or so is not really perceivable or appreciable to the desktop user. Benchmarks for SSDs are very misleading for desktop users. If this were a server with insane IO requirements the performance advantages of such an SSD would be more beneficial. My recommendation here would be a 240GB unit for $130, Rather than the "Pro" 128GB unit for $115.

What sort of GPU did you have your eyes on for when you do upgrade? Do you want a multiple GPU upgrade path? Do you want to be able to overclock and/or overvolt your GPUs?

Okay so no RM Series power supplies, does corsair still make the HX series, my HX520 was a beast, never had a single issue with it whatsoever. One thing that's a must is the Full Modular part, so can you recommend one?

As far as SSD, thanks for clarifying that, I've never used one so I just went with what the reviews said. I'll go for something cheaper as long as its reliable and fast I don't care.

As far as GPU's I was looking at the R9s like the 270x, probably one to start with, and another down the road. I would definitely like to overclock the GPU/CPU. Like I said though I do have a 5770 as a placeholder for the GPU because I might just save up and get a higher end graphics card, since I've never actually had one. Plus it plays pretty much any game I throw at it, though I've been playing WoW a lot lately and that's not really much of a challenge for it.

For the processor, I'll definitely go AMD now that I know for sure that I can reuse my block, I don't want to dish out more money for a different socket block and what not. I already have new tubing and fluid in the budget, I don't want to add more haha, just gotta give the pump/rad/res a clean up and it'll be good to go for the new rig.
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Hi cs_maan,

Far as I know, Corsair doesn't actually "make" anything and I don't believe ever has, or hasn't for many years. Everything they sell is an outsourced production. Quick google searching of a model can usually pull up a pretty thorough review from a place like jonnyguru and many others. A proper review will have a tear-down to investigate platform/OEM, component quality/selection/layout, and soldering quality.

The 270X has a fairly impressive overclock potential. Seen some of them now in 3rd party reviews doing 1.25ghz. At those speeds, TDP climbs to around 225W under a stress test. The FX-8350 OCed is a ~300W gig no matter how you slice it after factoring in VRM losses. You can technically get by on a 750W PSU for this build but if you want to have the comfort of knowing that the peak power consumption of the machine under a stress test doesn't exceed the label rating on the PSU, you'd be best served to start the search at around 800W and up.

The Corsair HX850 is currently available in many newegg combo specials that might be worth considering. Example [ http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1513294 ]
The EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G2 often goes on sale for ~$160.
     
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Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
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Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
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FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
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yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
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