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And another question on the gpu, Is there any reason to get a non-reference card i.e. classified, super clocked, ect. ?

I mean, I'm water cooling so I can just O.C. them manually right? or is there any advantages to non-reference cards?

Non-reference cards can be better or worse. SC is basically reference, and certain brands such as MSi Gaming, GB WF, and others have non-ref PCBs that aren't much better than reference. However, the premium non-reference cards such as Classy, Lightning, HOF, and sort of the DCUII will get you higher clocks.
post #22 of 32
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Originally Posted by WarpPrism View Post

Interesting, I have heard somewhere that a mobo block was restrictive but it was probably for a different ROG board/block or something.

Anodizing aluminum serves as protection against most forms of corrosion, but not galvanic corrosion. However, the amount of metal touching the block is so little that galvanic corrosion is very unlikely to happen anyway. It usually happens when aluminum and another metal (copper, etc.) are directly touching, which doesn't really happen with the mobo block.

In my field, as in the marine industry, galvanic corrosion is usually the primary concern. If the liquid contains ions which can carry current...... boat motors again being a good example where the sea water rather than metal t metal contact provides the conduit.... corrosion will occur. One of the best examples of galvanic corrosion w/ anodized aluminum will occur when in the presence of charge carrying ions (i.e. salts), the metal beneath the anodizing layer is exposed. I have seen this occur rapids for example when someone gets the idea to fasten down the anodized aluminum with stainless steel bolts and then torques them so heavily that the hard anodized layer is cracked..... where the salts can get into the crack it will get nasty but won't spread far beyond.

Several M6F owners have indicated they'd be pulling their rigs down for inspection at 6 months so we shud see some indications in February. I see Gigabyte's not using the same thing on their board but I don't think we'll see it spread to CPU / GPU water blocks ..... anodizing is susceptible to thermal cracking at temps > 80C.

Asus says it's anodized and coated but as yet I have not been able to obtain info on the coating process.
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post #23 of 32
Well, looks like you are the expert here. tongue.gif

But as you said we will have to wait for the results of the first few long-term testers, since we don't have very much information from Asus on how the block is made other than it's anodized.
post #24 of 32
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Originally Posted by simsmode View Post

And another question on the gpu, Is there any reason to get a non-reference card i.e. classified, super clocked, ect. ?

I mean, I'm water cooling so I can just O.C. them manually right? or is there any advantages to non-reference cards?


Several.... the following shows what's available.....moving up from lowest to highest.

1. Base Reference card with reference cooler

2. Reference card w/ improved cooler

3. Reference card w/ improved cooler and factory OC (i.e EVGA SC)

4. Non-Reference card w/ custom PCB .... maybe a alternate brand but equivalent quality VRM (i.e. EVGA 760 SC) and factory OC

5. Non-Reference card w/ custom PCB and beefier VRM (i.e. MSI N series, Asus DCII, Gigabyte Windforce)

6. Non Reference card w/ custom PCB and beefier VRM and binned GPUs (i.e. AsusTOP series)

7. Non Reference card w/ custom PCB and beefier VRM and over voltage capabilities (i.e. MSI Lightning / EVGA Classified)

I never go less than 5 ..... downside is....if not at the top of the series....i.e 780 / 290 ..... WB vendors may not offer blocks...... Asus DCII I see drop down a but but not many others.



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Originally Posted by WarpPrism View Post

Well, looks like you are the expert here. tongue.gif

But as you said we will have to wait for the results of the first few long-term testers, since we don't have very much information from Asus on how the block is made other than it's anodized.

Depends what ya waiting for smile.gif ..... being the less noble metal, science says it's impossible for aluminum to corrode anything else in the loop......the OCN link I referred to proves that ..... even with bare aluminum, it's impossible to damage copper / nickel blocks. If ya waiting for a demonstration that the anodizing process in the Asus Block was done adequately, then yes you will have to wait, tho the warranty will allay many fears at least thru the 3 year warranty period.... the adoption of the material by other MoBo makers is however indicative of which way this is going
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post #25 of 32
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Going with the EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti Dual Classified w/ EVGA ACX Cooler. Geez... this is starting to add up.

Also, I know this is kinda silly but I'm having a real dilemma with the fittings. I know, I know, bitspower ... but damn those suckers are expensive. Are the EK ones any good? does anyone know some good budget compression fittings that are reliable. I think with all my components I count 12 fittings, but I also would like to get some angled adapters. Also, I'm assuming I need stoppers for unused ports?
post #26 of 32
Most parts come with plugs for any ports that wouldn't be used.

I don't have any experience with them, but the Swiftech Lok-Seals look alright on a budget, has anyone tried them? EK fittings I have heard are mediocre. I understand your dilemma with fittings, with different brands the price difference can really add up.

And looks like you're getting one of the fastest cards around... tongue.gif
post #27 of 32
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Originally Posted by WarpPrism View Post

Most parts come with plugs for any ports that wouldn't be used.

I don't have any experience with them, but the Swiftech Lok-Seals look alright on a budget, has anyone tried them? EK fittings I have heard are mediocre. I understand your dilemma with fittings, with different brands the price difference can really add up.

And looks like you're getting one of the fastest cards around... tongue.gif

Cool I'll make sure to check those out.

And yeh, I'm just hoping I'm not biting off more than I can chew. Seeing since this is my first real build apart from doing simple component upgrades. Luckily I have a ton of resources to be successful.... like you guys biggrin.gif
post #28 of 32
Aww... thanks. tongue.gif

Keep in mind I'm not sure if the Swiftechs are good, they seem ok though.
post #29 of 32
Monsoon fittings are supposed to be okay.
post #30 of 32
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Monsoon fittings are supposed to be okay.

Yup, great deal if you get the 6-pack. Which adds right up for OP, 6*2=12. I had forgotten to mention them.
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