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Yup. Definitely not happening. I feel bad for AMD. There's like nothing to get excited for coming from them

Put your hand on your heart and say that again - Stay Puft -Certified Intel & Nvidia Fanboy biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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Since when has a 4670 been one of intel's top CPUs? That's like saying that an FX4350 or FX6100 is one of AMD's top parts.

The 4670 is a crippled quad core on a mainstream platform.

What is your take on the 4670K? Did I make a bad purchase? I think it is Intel's best price/perf chip. I know you're a fanbof the extreme socket, but that's not a possibility or even needed for most people, since the 4670K seems to be topping gaming charts smile.gif I'm genuinely interested in your view
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Put your hand on your heart and say that again - Stay Puft -Certified Intel & Nvidia Fanboy biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Also please don't get this thread locked tongue.gif
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Just wait until tuesday, you won't have to visit WCCFtech and look at Hassan
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tbh i was wanting a solid 30% gain in CPU performance over richland pre-overclocking. I wasnt too bothered about the GPU portion if it was only a 10% because i was kind of hoping for some nicely binned Kaveri Athlons, perhaps even a 6 core that would make a nice value drop in chip for a FM2 build + a discrete graphics card
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What is your take on the 4670K? Did I make a bad purchase? I think it is Intel's best price/perf chip. I know you're a fanbof the extreme socket, but that's not a possibility or even needed for most people, since the 4670K seems to be topping gaming charts smile.gif I'm genuinely interested in your view

I think the 4670K is probably the best price/perf CPU right now if we leave the lower end stuff out of the conversation. Solid part, however I know that I'd almost always pony up the extra 100 bucks for the i7.

Also I'm not that much of a fan of X79 anymore. When it came out sure. However these days I prefer my Z87.
 
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I think the 4670K is probably the best price/perf CPU right now if we leave the lower end stuff out of the conversation. Solid part, however I know that I'd almost always pony up the extra 100 bucks for the i7.

Also I'm not that much of a fan of X79 anymore. When it came out sure. However these days I prefer my Z87.

We agree for once biggrin.gif The 4770K is indeed worth the extra especially when editing and stramingt etc.
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I think forums like this miss the point of the APU. First measuring just it's CPU or GPU component performance is really missing the point as the chip is designed as an all in one solution.

Want to seriously compare it, build an i5 system using onboard and then an APU system and run them head to head. The APU taken as a whole is a more versatile chip.

The target for the APU I think is often missed. For example in PCMark the Home benchmark is the on e that such a system should be compared to. In 3DMark Cloud is the high end for this chip is use as intended. Instead idiots out there compare it to an i5 or i7 using a discrete video card and call it weak? The morons try to use Firestrike and other benchmarks geared at discrete GPUs and think themselves clever.

If you are building an average family based system, one that will surf the web, stream music and video, do some light picture editing and some light gaming the APU beats the crap out of Intel. Intel's onboard does not offer the versatility of the AMD offerings.

As for the design, I think AMD has the issue that they are building toward the future a bit too fast. Look at the FX series, the chip was designed for the direction they felt software would develop in, when it released it SUCKED. However today the more modern software has seen the FX series step things up and actually get better performance, not something you usually see older chips do. AMD was not off the market just to early to the game.

I think we are going to see the same thing with Kaveri. These chips are designed not be a GPU and CPU on a single chip but a single chip solution. HSA is a solid innovation that will make an impact but I think that is still in the future along with the full impact of Mantle.

Also to the person that posted their Intel numbers in Cinebench and Heaven, could not help but notice you overclocked the onboard GPU. Take the chip back to stock and run those tests again along with the OpenCL portion of the test and show us results for a fair comparison.
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I think forums like this miss the point of the APU. First measuring just it's CPU or GPU component performance is really missing the point as the chip is designed as an all in one solution.

Want to seriously compare it, build an i5 system using onboard and then an APU system and run them head to head. The APU taken as a whole is a more versatile chip.

The target for the APU I think is often missed. For example in PCMark the Home benchmark is the on e that such a system should be compared to. In 3DMark Cloud is the high end for this chip is use as intended. Instead idiots out there compare it to an i5 or i7 using a discrete video card and call it weak? The morons try to use Firestrike and other benchmarks geared at discrete GPUs and think themselves clever.

If you are building an average family based system, one that will surf the web, stream music and video, do some light picture editing and some light gaming the APU beats the crap out of Intel. Intel's onboard does not offer the versatility of the AMD offerings.

As for the design, I think AMD has the issue that they are building toward the future a bit too fast. Look at the FX series, the chip was designed for the direction they felt software would develop in, when it released it SUCKED. However today the more modern software has seen the FX series step things up and actually get better performance, not something you usually see older chips do. AMD was not off the market just to early to the game.

I think we are going to see the same thing with Kaveri. These chips are designed not be a GPU and CPU on a single chip but a single chip solution. HSA is a solid innovation that will make an impact but I think that is still in the future along with the full impact of Mantle.

Also to the person that posted their Intel numbers in Cinebench and Heaven, could not help but notice you overclocked the onboard GPU. Take the chip back to stock and run those tests again along with the OpenCL portion of the test and show us results for a fair comparison.

There are some elitists on this forum and other computer forums, I'll give you that. However, the vast majority are simply computer enthusiasts, they are just interested in learning anything new about computers, and get excited when new hardware comes out.

Fact of the matter is, depending on how well the A10-7850k overclocks, the A10 will be AMD's strongest CPU offering in anything that uses 4 cores or less. It will inevitably be compared against the i5s and i7s, because most games fall into the category of 4 cores or less. Exceptions are out there, but exceptions they are. Many people still play older games that can lag modern hardware.

We can talk about HSA being innovative, but fact of the matter is, it's only just getting out there. When people make purchase decisions, they make them based on what is available and ready now, not what might or might not have a future. HSA does indeed have a future, but it is not right now. Additionally, HSA has absolutely nothing to do with Mantle, and in an APU-only configuration, it would be mutually exclusive with Mantle.

The FX-8350 multithreaded performance at best matched the 3770k. It is not a powerful chip by any stretch of imagination, and no change in future software will change that.
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There are some elitists on this forum and other computer forums, I'll give you that. However, the vast majority are simply computer enthusiasts, they are just interested in learning anything new about computers, and get excited when new hardware comes out.

Fact of the matter is, depending on how well the A10-7850k overclocks, the A10 will be AMD's strongest CPU offering in anything that uses 4 cores or less. It will inevitably be compared against the i5s and i7s, because most games fall into the category of 4 cores or less. Exceptions are out there, but exceptions they are. Many people still play older games that can lag modern hardware.

We can talk about HSA being innovative, but fact of the matter is, it's only just getting out there. When people make purchase decisions, they make them based on what is available and ready now, not what might or might not have a future. HSA does indeed have a future, but it is not right now. Additionally, HSA has absolutely nothing to do with Mantle, and in an APU-only configuration, it would be mutually exclusive with Mantle.

The FX-8350 multithreaded performance at best matched the 3770k. It is not a powerful chip by any stretch of imagination, and no change in future software will change that.
Actually there were a lot of people that purchased AM3+ simply because they thought Steamroller was coming to it. So that theory doesn't really hold true 100%.
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