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Many people still play older games that can lag modern hardware.

but how many play these at 1080p or 1440p ? As you go up the resolutions the CPU impact becomes less even on older games. Talking about newer games from the last 2 years onwards the majority focus hard on the GPU not the CPU. But I cant argue that these APU's are fairly weak CPU wise, they are.

A question for a gamer wanting to maximise performance and have something a bit different is can the cost saving of the APU be put onto a better dedicated GPU (especially if you bought a cheaper quad Kaveri Athlon non igp) and net you the same or better real world performance than a intel system running a cheaper GPU but a more expensive and more powerful Intel CPU ?

the answer might be in one or two cases the intel is faster but in most at 1080p/1200p/1440p etc.. the weaker AMD CPU with a faster dedicated GPU would be better

cost is usually always the balance here
post #172 of 286
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Originally Posted by Durquavian View Post

Actually there were a lot of people that purchased AM3+ simply because they thought Steamroller was coming to it. So that theory doesn't really hold true 100%.

I was about to upgrade to a 990FX motherboard just because of this.

Thankfully I didn't feel like spending the money at the time... Luckily I didn't.
   
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I was about to upgrade to a 990FX motherboard just because of this.

Thankfully I didn't feel like spending the money at the time... Luckily I didn't.

Yeah me too, now I'm in a bit of a purgatory because I need to upgrade from my AM2 system, but don't want to go to AM3+ because it's pretty much EOL and I don't want to invest in an FM2 system because it's likely to be sidegrade from my Phenom II
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Yeah me too, now I'm in a bit of a purgatory because I need to upgrade from my AM2 system, but don't want to go to AM3+ because it's pretty much EOL and I don't want to invest in an FM2 system because it's likely to be sidegrade from my Phenom II

The go intel biggrin.gif Not as fun to OC, but if you need an upgrade just go for intel. I don't think AMD will release anything special for 2014. Then when they do realize something awesome you can go back to AMD biggrin.gif
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Holy skepticism Batman! Guys, seriously. Drivers aren't even out yet and the NDA lifts on Tuesday. A little patience, please? Why would Steamroller 2.0, the chip that's supposed to bring up to 20% (according to AMD) performance improvements be LOSING in integer performance? FPU losses are unfortunate but expected at this point. At least AMD is actually improving performance... wink.gif
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Holy skepticism Batman! Guys, seriously. Drivers aren't even out yet and the NDA lifts on Tuesday. A little patience, please? Why would Steamroller 2.0, the chip that's supposed to bring up to 20% (according to AMD) performance improvements be LOSING in integer performance? FPU losses are unfortunate but expected at this point. At least AMD is actually improving performance... wink.gif

There's new benches somewhere showing a much bigger improvement, but who knows? I personally think this will be a bigger improvement than Puget Systems says, but we'll see when the NDA is lifted
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lets wait for drivers indeed
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Yeah me too, now I'm in a bit of a purgatory because I need to upgrade from my AM2 system, but don't want to go to AM3+ because it's pretty much EOL and I don't want to invest in an FM2 system because it's likely to be sidegrade from my Phenom II

I don't even feel like upgrading. My system is powerful enough as it is, and the only platform that I'm interested in is FMx...
   
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An APU beating one of intels top cpu? Are we all living in reality?

Use OpenCL on an A10-6800k in video encoding and it beats a 3960X, both chips stock...HSA and hUMA will also help that, too. Obviously a very niche use but the difference between a top end chip and mid-end chip isn't as great as people believe when even a modern low-end chip is ridiculously fast for most uses. Modded Skyrim typically stays around ~20% average CPU usage and >95% average GPU usage on my PC.
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Yeah me too, now I'm in a bit of a purgatory because I need to upgrade from my AM2 system, but don't want to go to AM3+ because it's pretty much EOL and I don't want to invest in an FM2 system because it's likely to be sidegrade from my Phenom II

If your Phenom II is at 3.6Ghz or above and a quad or hexacore, anything is likely to be a sidegrade in gaming short of a handful of games...For example my i5 doesn't even hit it's max OC in Skyrim, half the time it's sitting around 3Ghz. (The highest average I've seen was ~23%, most of the time it's around 17%-20% while my GPU is maxed out)
All in all though, I'd wait for more benchmarks to come out before making any decision although I believe a 4670k would still be the faster chip simply because it costs more.

A lot of people here like to make out as though the difference is massive but the fact is, at real world settings you're typically going to be GPU bottlenecked first in 95% of games. (Obviously stuff like Starcraft and Civilization are actually CPU bottlenecked but making it seem as big as some people here do is like trying to say all games will benefit from moving to an SSD because a handful can be bottlenecked by a HDD such as The Sims 3, Skyrim, etc)
    
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Actually there were a lot of people that purchased AM3+ simply because they thought Steamroller was coming to it. So that theory doesn't really hold true 100%.

And these people hopefully learned a valuable lesson about PC hardware.
 
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