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On a positive note...

If those cache performance improvements from the wccf tech review are accurate, there may be some real world workloads that show greater performance increases than what the Puget review has established as a sort of "baseline" for consideration. Note the "hitman" benchmark there with the discrete GPU showing what appears to be ~30+% improvement when normalized to the same clock speed.

I'm still left puzzled when I see memory bandwidth hovering around 20GB/s when it's running at a speed that should be good for 30-40GB/s. There's so much potential for the GPU performance to scale up here, yet the memory controller is still standing in the way.... I wonder if more bandwidth could be squeezed out by tinkering with timings.


Durq,

I encourage you to direct your criticisms at actions and ideas with a rational, calm explanation of your position. An exaggerated emotion filled character assassination of me, only proves the point I was making.

On the other hand. I may get bored around here if everyone drops their emotional connection to hardware and brands. hmmm...



Future rational OCN conversation:

A: "This hardware does not perform as well as that hardware."

B: "Yes, my observation is in agreement with yours."

C: "Yes, I see the same results here as well."

A: "So that's it?"

C: "Yep, oh well."

B: "See yall next week"
Actually changed my mind and don't feel it is worth wasting my time on worthless endeavors.
Edited by Durquavian - 1/12/14 at 4:23pm
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how old are those games though? I did say the last two years and there was an occasional exception

Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion was released in 2012, but the original game dates back to 2008, as does the game engine. Starcraft 2 is a 2010 game.

Exceptions they are, but they are exceptions that a lot of people play.
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Do people actually buy these APUs and go play games at 800x600 or 1280x720 all low settings with no AA as this review has tested? While still failing to reach 60fps?
Most of the time when you see this and then the lack of 1080p that generally means that they are trying to hide something. As far as on die GPU AMD has the best in the <$500 and likely with these new Kaveris better than all iGPUs. I have seen far too many reviews that seem to try very hard to limit their own review to get a specific outcome.
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Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion was released in 2012, but the original game dates back to 2008, as does the game engine. Starcraft 2 is a 2010 game.

Exceptions they are, but they are exceptions that a lot of people play.
But even then you have to take actual user accounts. I have a lot of these games that most reviews show that my hardware should struggle on, yet I have absolutely no issues. Played WOW on nothing but AMD since it came out and never had the issues these reviews seem to have. It wasn't even like my GPUs were making up the difference. Had on board first, then an Nvidia card (think it was a 2xx series), then a 6770, then to a single 7770 and now 7770CF. As I moved up the GPU ranks WOW got better but never, well lets just use the last 4 years being I paid more attention since then, had the dips and freezes that they claimed I should have. My now Wife played by me with an Athlon II 2.6Ghz and a MSI 5450 passive and had a little freezing initially in huge raids but for the most part played fine. I was running 100FPS with ease and ultra settings.

GW2 and DIABLO3 play just wonderful too. So I great every review with a bit of pessimism. It is good sometimes just to see some relevance to previous architectures but I never hold their findings as actual real world end-user experience.
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But even then you have to take actual user accounts. I have a lot of these games that most reviews show that my hardware should struggle on, yet I have absolutely no issues. Played WOW on nothing but AMD since it came out and never had the issues these reviews seem to have. It wasn't even like my GPUs were making up the difference. Had on board first, then an Nvidia card (think it was a 2xx series), then a 6770, then to a single 7770 and now 7770CF. As I moved up the GPU ranks WOW got better but never, well lets just use the last 4 years being I paid more attention since then, had the dips and freezes that they claimed I should have. My now Wife played by me with an Athlon II 2.6Ghz and a MSI 5450 passive and had a little freezing initially in huge raids but for the most part played fine. I was running 100FPS with ease and ultra settings.

GW2 and DIABLO3 play just wonderful too. So I great every review with a bit of pessimism. It is good sometimes just to see some relevance to previous architectures but I never hold their findings as actual real world end-user experience.

When my i7 3820 at 4.3 ghz lags on Starcraft 2 and Sins of a Solar Empire, how the hell is any AMD CPU going to not lag? Also, let's not forget the Supreme Commander series.
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When my i7 3820 at 4.3 ghz lags on Starcraft 2 and Sins of a Solar Empire, how the hell is any AMD CPU going to not lag? Also, let's not forget the Supreme Commander series.
Cant speak to those, don't have em, but the ones I listed have similar claims. Besides I do a lot of wonders with my Rig. I am never satisfied with good enough. I will tweak for weeks till I find the issue causing the problem.

Hint: it isn't always the CPU.
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Cant speak to those, don't have em, but the ones I listed have similar claims. Besides I do a lot of wonders with my Rig. I am never satisfied with good enough. I will tweak for weeks till I find the issue causing the problem.

Hint: it isn't always the CPU.

Well guess what, with these RTS games it is. Sure, normal gameplay for the most part is fine, but when there starts to be an excess of units on the map...
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Actually I have wanted to make a statement but was reluctant because there are so many less than reasonable posters around. But what the hades.

The problem with reviews is that the assumption for most is the situation will be plug and play. Now most Plug and play is generally GPUs and I can see why that situation requires a " works out of the box" stand point. But with CPU sales, most generally are being done by builders or enthusiasts. Little Timmy doesn't go to the local store and buy a CPU to put into his rig his parents bought him last Christmas (in general, not saying it never happens). Again it gives some base-line but not what these Builders and Enthusiasts will experience. CF and SLI is not for the Plug and Play group. If they can not OC and work with PCI-e and OCing all rig components then their having issues is of little concern and more the fault of their own.

What has always bothered me for the lions share of reviews is they have no problem stating an issue but hardly ever try to see if any other fix exists. This goes for any component, AMD Intel Nvidia, or any other. Now I know there is a reader or two already salivating at hardly ever try to see if any other fix exists . I know it isn't the responsibility of the review to find the fix. What I am suggesting is that they try a few quick things to see if it gets remedied at all and by what amount. Remember CPUs aren't considered Plug and Play here. Even System builders match components to get the max efficiency from the whole system. Reviews for those are as they stand and I have no issue with that. If the system sucks then it does.

This is why I am not a fan of reviews when they are being used to tell me what my setup SHOULD do. I guess it isn't the reviews fault so much as the individual who thinks that review is indicative of what any one on here will experience.
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An A10+260X would actually run better with hybrid Xfire turned OFF in most situations. As such, doesn't offer any benefit to an i3+260X unless overclocked. Considering cost to implement, the i3 is very competitive when paired with discrete solutions like this.

A 260X run discretely, has full use of ~100GB/s worth of GDDR5 bandwidth. Turning hybrid Xfire ON with a symmetrical workload split and a stock speed A10-7850K, would reduce the usable bandwidth of the newly formed "hybrid GPU" to 40GB/s or less. This would actually result in reduced FPS and increase stutter in most games. Software side changes have the potential to solve this to an extent, but there's no reason to expect that said solution would be a simple "click here for more performance" option in the driver. At least not initially. Performance tweaking would undoubtedly be required for every game at any given settings to achieve the best possible scaling with the least stutter. I fully expect there will be all night coffee sessions dedicated to tinkering with custom load balance settings to maximize performance in each game for given settings... (I have to admit I would love to sit around and run those tests to build driver profiles to optimize said hardware configurations, lol)..

Even with those changes, the i3+discrete is still competitive, because the cost to implement Kavari is higher, as such, the i3 could probably be paired with a "Step up" the GPU ladder for a similar implementation cost, which would perform similarly. I'd be the type to buy the hybrid configuration because I love tinkering, while recommending the discrete solutions to others as the practical solution.
     
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