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Precisely. It's more the rule these days. The rare exception is to find a product from any company being sold "plainly" and "honestly" with no mislead. Sad.

Like SDP vs TDP or Intel's non-standard measurement of nm. 14nm for them is 16.5nm for other fabs. Not saying AMD doesn't cheat and lie too, but they tend to get a lot more bad press about the same stuff.
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Before we jump into conclusions on the actual state of dual graphics between kaveri and R-series radeons, let's just wait fo reviews,shall we? On llano/Trinity/richland they were horrible but this is another story and we have a driver incoming this month.
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Check the link. It says AMD asked them to take it down. Oops.

well yeh... they did have permission but i guess in good faith they decided to take it down proactively until the 14th.

ether way I'm waiting for some more figures to compare to on the 14th to conclude if kaveri is a dog or not and i certainly hope i'm wrong about it as i'd love a high performing APU that is capable of beyond 1080p gaming and actually give me a valid reason to upgrade my trinity platform
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Before we jump into conclusions on the actual state of dual graphics between kaveri and R-series radeons, let's just wait fo reviews,shall we? On llano/Trinity/richland they were horrible but this is another story and we have a driver incoming this month.

With Kaveri in mind I'm sure. GCN 1.1 fixed a lot of issues inherent to GCN 1.0 and its awful issues when running bridge-less. Oland, Hawaii, and Bonaire all supposedly are compatible.
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stop what? stating the fact? ether way i believe pudget did their job at releasing real world usage info on kaveri but if are a fan girl and i can understand your feeling of being insulted by these results that does not fit your tastes

AMD based benchmarks with skewed HSA performance build in? so you trust the guys who market the product with flowery words and performance charts over real world?

sorry but real world usage examples kaveri has little to offer, specialized stuff that works with HSA then sure its better.

i'm not really saying kaveri performs less then richland, i've always mentioned it performed better but only just abit better, but you all are justifying it with the 400mhz less clock and stating that kaveri when clocked the same would perform better. no doubt about that but if you are going to overclock a processor and not overclock the other you are just skewing the results and being bias.

then again honestly im not really uninterested in the CPU side of things anyway, i find trinity offers me enough grunt for typical daily PC uses so any more is welcomed. however i find GPU lacking and wanted more GPU performance but kinda left me cold there

well sure lets wait for NDA to be lifted for some more result comparison
OK how about you explain the reason Haswell didn't show much of a performance increase. The fact is it is better with its architectural improvements, yet with some time software will start to show it. Same with Kaveri and HSA. I have to agree something seems off in these early leaked benches. But at least we can agree the best thing to do is wait for the NDA to lift.
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Do people actually buy these APUs and go play games at 800x600 or 1280x720 all low settings with no AA as this review has tested? While still failing to reach 60fps?
Seems like 1080P is just fine since most games were running medium so you can actually keep 1080P of course some settings might yield better visuals than going from 720P to 1080P. Also the igpu is confirmed to go to 1GHz by that Spanish reviewer.
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An A10+260X would actually run better with hybrid Xfire turned OFF in most situations. As such, doesn't offer any benefit to an i3+260X unless overclocked. Considering cost to implement, the i3 is very competitive when paired with discrete solutions like this.
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you don't know that at all and actually XDMA should be in full effect along with the new drivers.
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An observation to consider:

Over the last 4+ years or so. Intel has maintained a very disciplined product release cycle and stuck to a conservative strategy of product placement and pricing. Each new chip series has been launched with steady increases in IPC and relatively stable clock speeds. Intel has been very good about avoiding the potential for regression of performance by selling an existing architecture at a "factory overclocked" speed. Looking back at the release of Sandy Bridge. AMD was more or less forced under market pressure to "shoot themselves in the foot" by trying to compensate with ever-increasing clock speeds of an existing architecture. Deneb/Thuban pressed to 3.7ghz stock clocks was strong, unfortunately, it set the stage for a partially regressive release of Zambezi.

I believe that in a way, Richland both served as good competition to the i3-Ivy/Haswell options, but again, comes back to bite as it proves stronger stock-vs-stock than a new architecture in some comparisons. The same market forces that steered AMD to release a "refined" ultra-high-clocked bin of piledriver based Richland chips, set the stage for areas of performance regression on a new architecture launch. It's a vicious cycle that can really only be broken with a very strong new release.
     
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An observation to consider:

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i kinda agree with this, AMD needs a good strong release to break out of it and actually be competitive

i was hoping for kaveri to be this release but so far every pre release numbers and specs indicate that it wont be it. but only the 14th would tell

i certainly hope that i'm wrong and for AMD to remain competitive so intel would stop releasing under potential products or deliberately gimped stuff
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An A10+260X would actually run better with hybrid Xfire turned OFF in most situations. As such, doesn't offer any benefit to an i3+260X unless overclocked. Considering cost to implement, the i3 is very competitive when paired with discrete solutions like this.

A 260X run discretely, has full use of ~100GB/s worth of GDDR5 bandwidth. Turning hybrid Xfire ON with a symmetrical workload split and a stock speed A10-7850K, would reduce the usable bandwidth of the newly formed "hybrid GPU" to 40GB/s or less. This would actually result in reduced FPS and increase stutter in most games. Software side changes have the potential to solve this to an extent, but there's no reason to expect that said solution would be a simple "click here for more performance" option in the driver. At least not initially. Performance tweaking would undoubtedly be required for every game at any given settings to achieve the best possible scaling with the least stutter. I fully expect there will be all night coffee sessions dedicated to tinkering with custom load balance settings to maximize performance in each game for given settings... (I have to admit I would love to sit around and run those tests to build driver profiles to optimize said hardware configurations, lol)..

Even with those changes, the i3+discrete is still competitive, because the cost to implement Kavari is higher, as such, the i3 could probably be paired with a "Step up" the GPU ladder for a similar implementation cost, which would perform similarly. I'd be the type to buy the hybrid configuration because I love tinkering, while recommending the discrete solutions to others as the practical solution.

Isn't 14.1 beta supposed to address the dual graphics performance or something?
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