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That isn't what FCAT showed though. It showed that a majority of the frames were way too small and contributed nothing, rendering the second card useless. So while FRAPS fps was very high, motion quality improvement was mostly placebo in many games. Tom's Hardware review just reveals that it is still the case for hybrid crossfire. Even though FRAPS fps is higher, it contributes little to final output.
Anand hasn't even added it to their review of Kaveri so what are you talking about?
Also GCN 1.1(that is what most call it) has XDMA and it is no longer the case that one would match different architectures like with Richland(VLIW4) with VLIW5 or GCN(unsupported) this time around we will match GCN with GCN with both being 1.1 and having XDMA. Also Q1 will hold extra frame pacing drivers(if they are on time for once! wink.gif )

I think with GCN 1.1 things will turn out fine but CF with a GCN 1.0 part will still have some little complications atleast until they drop the new frame pacing driver.
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Seems like a lot of sites are reviewing the A8 7600 but not the A10 7850k...
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That isn't what FCAT showed though. It showed that a majority of the frames were way too small and contributed nothing, rendering the second card useless. So while FRAPS fps was very high, motion quality improvement was mostly placebo in many games. Tom's Hardware review just reveals that it is still the case for hybrid crossfire. Even though FRAPS fps is higher, it contributes little to final output.

FCAT can say whatever the hell it wants, but that doesn't change the fact that I ran CFX HD4890s, saw the increased FPS (ie. It was smoother than a single card and more in line with my GTX 470s level of performance than a single HD4890) and that if it truly wasn't actually showing any real benefit due to the microstutter, more people would have noticed it especially considering PCPer was showing that the stutter was there on nVidia cards up until Fermi too. Or do you really think that literally no-one out of the thousands of people who ran multi-card setups from when SLI and CFX were introduced (GeForce 6800 and Radeon x800 series respectively...It's been around for nearly 10 years so far) would have noticed that a single card was just as fast as two cards from the increased stutter? I'm not saying that multi-card setups don't have increased stutter, I'm saying that the conclusion a few sites came to that a second card is entirely useless because of it is completely wrong...It's only anecdotal but I can say for a fact that HD4890 CFX was faster than a single HD4890, it felt faster and I didn't have a single GPU that matched it until I had a GTX 470 whereas a single HD4890 was more in line with a GTX 275 or the like.
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Why would i do that? If amd made a good product i would buy it. For example a 12 or 16 core processor for AM3. I would be all over that biggrin.gif

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They went the wrong way..totally.
 
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well this is now confirmed that kaveri offered bugger all over richland and trinity
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/sigh check the supported 6670 results...
This was apparent. Again, your stance has no real world backing and since asymmetric hybrid crossfire was not supported in previous generations, you can't assert anything based on your observation of data based on Richland hybrid crossfire. In addition, your assertion that it would not be cost effective to run hybrid crossfire is also misplaced. Without understanding the compatibility of crossfire configurations, you are unable to assert whether there are options within a specific budget that would better suit a discrete card with an Intel solution.

I CAN assert the maximum potential scaling under impossible to achieve conditions because the core configuration and clocks speeds of the GPU and iGPU are public knowledge.

I predicted in another thread, that Kaveri, would be launched at a price way over what it is worth. Came True.
I predicted in another thread, that Kaveri flagship parts would not cut power consumption vs Richland by any tangible amount. Came true.
Lots of chatter about the "hot" idea of pairing a 260X with a Kaveri to scale up GPU performance at a high value buy-in point. I have nothing but a long list of good reasons that this is not likely to pan out in the way it is being anticipated. I honestly have NO data from any technical review, product overview, technical brief, or any hardware overview, that gives me ANY reason to believe that hybrid crossfire is going to work as well as it would need to to make such a configuration beneficial. The only evidence to suggest that such a configuration WOULD be beneficial, comes from AMD slides and bullets. The track record for this source in the last several years would lead me to believe that it is a better source of things "not to come" than anything else.
     
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I CAN assert the maximum potential scaling under impossible to achieve conditions because the core configuration and clocks speeds of the GPU and iGPU are public knowledge.

I predicted in another thread, that Kaveri, would be launched at a price way over what it is worth. Came True.
I predicted in another thread, that Kaveri flagship parts would not cut power consumption vs Richland by any tangible amount. Came true.
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Don't see how it came true a8-7600 is cheap rolleyes.gif
Yeah flagship is just a high clocked part that didn't scale well with power.
Okay I'm sure you don't just think about it as VLIW4 + VLIW5 =/= GCN + GCN.
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Okay I'm sure you don't just think about it as VLIW4 + VLIW5 =/= GCN + GCN.

GCN+GCN does nothing to solve the inherent problem with an iGPU+discrete workload distribution that is real-time dependent, it just makes it easier to "tweak" a solution in software because it allows for much more fine tuning. Unless GCN has a time machine built in with a feedback loop to our-space-time, then it is not ready to tackle this problem on it's own.
     
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GCN+GCN does nothing to solve the inherent problem with an iGPU+discrete workload distribution that is real-time dependent, it just makes it easier to "tweak" a solution in software because it allows for much more fine tuning. Unless GCN has a time machine built in with a feedback loop to our-space-time, then it is not ready to tackle this problem on it's own.
Are you implying that all that matters is equality in strength? If so every crossfireable/sliable card from the past would like to have a word with you...

Did you check techreport? Little frame time variance which goes for gcn 1.1 cards in general.
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Nvidia geforce cards having only a 3,33% failure rate?
Must have been a good batch for I lost my 9800's my 275 and my 295 to complications.

Of course overclocked to the moon and back but still
''NVIDIA GeForce cards on a whole were much more reliable in 2013'' 9800s 275 and 295 are so much 2013 model
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