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Eh, those results look about right to me honestly...The FX being a bit under the i7 in most benchmarks with a few times it matches or comes ahead of it.

You miss the point. If delta between 8350 and 3770k is similar on both benchmarks, odds are CB 11.5 bias is still in place with 15, that was my point here-phenom II doesn't apply, since it doesn't include a proper SSE4.2 extension anyway. I generally consider post SB quad i7 chips to be overall superior products to vishera octocores (certainly the case for gaming), and I suggest them left and right. But one of the workloads that fit vishera envelope nicely is rendering/encoding and stuff that get full core usage (pov-ray, handbrake, 7zip etc.) - with Cinebench you get even i5-4670k@4.5Ghz almost matching an octocore@4.4Ghz (680 vs 701).

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2345574&page=4
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I believe he was in the marketing area of their server area...We all believed a marketing guy, that's our problem.

Nah, the main problem was people overhyping, which just happened again with Freesync, and will keep happening in the future. Basically, taking marketing people's words in the best light possible, and then stretching it.
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Nah, the main problem was people overhyping, which just happened again with Freesync, and will keep happening in the future. Basically, taking marketing people's words in the best light possible, and then stretching it.

Unfortunately, even review sites partake in the overhyping of upcoming tech... If journalism actually had some ethical standards still, the spread of rumors and exaggerations would be less pronounced.
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I'm not believing anything I read until the chip comes out, call me a stupid fanboy but all these "leaks" seem far too damning of AMD than any of us thought was likely
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So CB 11.5 uses AVX for Intel processor 64 bit mode and SSE2 for non-Intel processor 64 bit mode ? I saw this link , Score for FX-9590 at 5345Mhz is 858 while score for Intel Sandy I7-2600K at 4500Mhz is 793? maybe AMD Score is done by SSE2 and Intel Score is done by AVX instruction sets ? if it's True , It's JOKE!!!

 

How about other Program like Handbrake?

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The CPU performanse is not worse Kaveri APU has higher IPC 15-20%, the difference is the default CPU frequency minus 400mhz on Top Kaveri APU model vs Top Richland APU model.

But on lower TDP 45W models Richland vs Kaveri, there is completely diferent story and this can not be ignored.
As i sad before this is very good for OEM manufactures and exellent for HTPC PC no doubt.wink.gif


Richland vs Kaveri Quad Core APU Top Models comparison

- Richland APU A10-6800K, 4.1ghz/4.4hz TurboCore/384 VLIW4 Radeon Cores 100 TDP

- Kaveri APU A10-7850, 3.7ghz/4ghz TurboCore/512 GCN Radeon Cores/ 95W TDP


Richland vs Kaveri Quad Core APU lower TDP models comparison

- Richland APU A10-6700T, 2.5ghz/3.5ghz TurboCore/384 VLIW4 Radeon Cores, 45W TDP

- Kaveri APU A8-7600, 3.1ghz/3.3ghz TurboCore/384 GCN Radeon Cores, 45W TDP


When all was counted related to the 45W TDP models, 600mhz higher CPU frequency + Higher IPC = big improvments at CPU multithrerad performance and aplications.smile.gif


honestly you should stop trying to skew the results by comparing clock for clock because it doesnt exist. kevari would not be launched with the same clock rates as richland. the only valid comparison are stock for stock and ignoring OC potential completely because that is an unknown factor and besides richland is rather capable of OC as well

fact is stock for stock kaveri is only a slight bump ahead of richland in both GPU and CPU department excluding HSA/mantle specific applications. HSA is great but there is barely any support for it atm so its pretty much a cool feature on paper but its as good as its not there. mantle is DOA imo, it may try to compete with direct x and opengl but their next release would most likely kill mantle especially with current architecture and games supporting these 2 and so will any future game and dont expect nvidia to be quiet about it ether.

so instead of comparing ponies, fairies and unicorns come back down to reality, kaveri has a few cool features and is slightly more powerful then richland but its still only a minor bump rather then a game changer that we were hoping for.

considering how minor the bump is from trinity to richland, current trinity owners gains piss all from moving to kaveri and for gaming application they are better off investing that money into a GPU rather then a platform upgrade unless you must use onboard and dont expect 1080p gaming on high details
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honestly you should stop trying to skew the results by comparing clock for clock because it doesnt exist. kevari would not be launched with the same clock rates as richland. the only valid comparison are stock for stock and ignoring OC potential completely because that is an unknown factor and besides richland is rather capable of OC as well

fact is stock for stock kaveri is only a slight bump ahead of richland in both GPU and CPU department excluding HSA/mantle specific applications. HSA is great but there is barely any support for it atm so its pretty much a cool feature on paper but its as good as its not there. mantle is DOA imo, it may try to compete with direct x and opengl but their next release would most likely kill mantle especially with current architecture and games supporting these 2 and so will any future game and dont expect nvidia to be quiet about it ether.

so instead of comparing ponies, fairies and unicorns come back down to reality, kaveri has a few cool features and is slightly more powerful then richland but its still only a minor bump rather then a game changer that we were hoping for.

considering how minor the bump is from trinity to richland, current trinity owners gains piss all from moving to kaveri and for gaming application they are better off investing that money into a GPU rather then a platform upgrade unless you must use onboard and dont expect 1080p gaming on high details
The 45W chips actually has the Kaveri chip clocked way higher than the Richland chip on the cpu now that is a model with 384 instead of 512 GCN cores but still it seems to have scaled rather well.
A good 20% over the gpu perf of richland as the full 512 yields 50%
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honestly you should stop trying to skew the results by comparing clock for clock because it doesnt exist. kevari would not be launched with the same clock rates as richland. the only valid comparison are stock for stock and ignoring OC potential completely because that is an unknown factor and besides richland is rather capable of OC as well

fact is stock for stock kaveri is only a slight bump ahead of richland in both GPU and CPU department excluding HSA/mantle specific applications. HSA is great but there is barely any support for it atm so its pretty much a cool feature on paper but its as good as its not there. mantle is DOA imo, it may try to compete with direct x and opengl but their next release would most likely kill mantle especially with current architecture and games supporting these 2 and so will any future game and dont expect nvidia to be quiet about it ether.

so instead of comparing ponies, fairies and unicorns come back down to reality, kaveri has a few cool features and is slightly more powerful then richland but its still only a minor bump rather then a game changer that we were hoping for.

considering how minor the bump is from trinity to richland, current trinity owners gains piss all from moving to kaveri and for gaming application they are better off investing that money into a GPU rather then a platform upgrade unless you must use onboard and dont expect 1080p gaming on high details

I am not skew nothing i just made ​​a nice comparison, and this is all very clear that 45W TDP Kaveri APU is big improvment vs 45W TDP Richland APU.wink.gif
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I don't know what a THG is.

The world isn't a fair place. Do you expect AMD to write Mantle to favor Nvidia/Intel hardware? Nah, they will play dirty too, as they should.

THG stands for Tom's Hardware Guide. They are a notorious Intel/nVidia propaganda site.
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THG stands for Tom's Hardware Guide. They are a notorious Intel/nVidia propaganda site.

There's been an ebb and flow of bias in the language in the commentary of test results on Toms for over 10 years. This is naturally unavoidable in any hardware review commentary as it is nearly impossible to formulate commentary to compare and contrast without some bias in the language. I have seen that bias lean both ways in hardware reviews on Toms and never been bothered by it in any case. I've never felt that there was any excessive bias effecting the actual tests themselves or the hardware setup. Their hardware "recommendations" have historically had AMD/Intel/Nvidia solutions spaced out very realistically based on price/performance/practicality. AMD has made the "best for the money" articles in various slots every month for as long as I can remember. It was probably Toms hardware reveiws and testing that originally influenced me to go AMD on my first build over 12 years ago, and twice more since. Even my Propus build that I am on today was influenced by a Toms. If you're "seeing" a heavy Intel-only bias there, then it is something you are creating because you are looking for it, not because it exists.
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