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post #1 of 9
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Hey all.

When I recently pulled my rig apart for cleaning and a CPU upgrade I found that when I put the mobo back in the case it was shorting out, further investigation made it clear the case was the problem.
My question is when I go to find and fix where the short is, Will the motherboard be damaged if I reinstall it and the short is still there, and should I remove the CPU while testing?
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post #2 of 9

I have a question that I think that I would find insulting, but I have to ask because I have no other way of knowing:

 

Did you put the stand-offs back in?

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post #3 of 9
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

I have a question that I think that I would find insulting, but I have to ask because I have no other way of knowing:

Did you put the stand-offs back in?

Indeed I did, I think however it might be a standoff shorting though because I wasnt able to get screws into all of them because they kept spinning in their holes, The first thing I do will be to fix that then test.
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post #4 of 9
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Indeed I did, I think however it might be a standoff shorting though because I wasnt able to get screws into all of them because they kept spinning in their holes, The first thing I do will be to fix that then test.

 

Oh, hey, I wonder if one of the stand-offs is in one of the wrong holes in the tray. I did that once. I spent a lot more time than I'd like to admit to figure it out too!

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post #5 of 9
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Oh, hey, I wonder if one of the stand-offs is in one of the wrong holes in the tray. I did that once. I spent a lot more time than I'd like to admit to figure it out too!

Custom tray, No extra holes smile.gif
Pretty much, Im just wondering if there will be any permanent damage to the motherboard and CPU if they keep on experiencing these shorts when im testing the fixes ill be doing.
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post #6 of 9
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Originally Posted by trust-no-1 View Post


Custom tray, No extra holes smile.gif
Pretty much, Im just wondering if there will be any permanent damage to the motherboard and CPU if they keep on experiencing these shorts when im testing the fixes ill be doing.

No way to tell really, but I have shortend my MB(s) with screws, water block, spacers and whatnot. Never took out the CPU, never broke anything. Maybe I have been lucky, but I think you'll be good.
post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by trust-no-1 View Post


Custom tray, No extra holes smile.gif
Pretty much, Im just wondering if there will be any permanent damage to the motherboard and CPU if they keep on experiencing these shorts when im testing the fixes ill be doing.

 

I'm not sure. The only experience I have with shorting happened before I knew any better. When my sig rig was born (back in early 2008), I bought one part at a time. At one point, I had the motherboard, CPU, the aftermarket air cooling, the memory, and my video card, but nothing else. I was anxious to see it partially set up, but I didn't have anything to put it on so that the video card slot cover thing wouldn't end up lifting one side. I had a table, but I didn't want to scratch it. Without using my brain, I remembered that I had several little tiny jars of model paint. They have steel lids. Yep. You can see where this is going. I put down like 5 and put the motherboard on top of it. I turned it on because I wanted to turn it on! I was excited to power it on even though I couldn't do anything with it. Well, it was shorting and acting very weird.

 

This went on for quite a while that day until I finally figured out what was causing it. Yet, the motherboard ended up being just fine and was still able to overclock as expected and the board lasted until the day I decided to upgrade. So from that, I suppose that I could believe that shorting might be harmless.

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Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
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KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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post #8 of 9
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Just what I wanted to hear, Thanks both of you smile.gif
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post #9 of 9

You're welcome!

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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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