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Yeah no kidding, Freesync would be so bad with the Grey Screen of Death again, which I believe for a few drivers effected every single title for 58xx cards.


Or the driver has stopped responding (alternative to BSOD):


See how easy it is to cherry pick?

i play BF. if those happen to any of my gpus . . . i go green.

We are playing BF4 lottery unfortunately on our side, some patches are better than others. Picked it up for the PS4 instead, been fairly solid.

But you know you purposely cherry picked that tongue.gif
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AMD's reply http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming/blog/2014/01/08/doing-the-work-for-everyone
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-Lots of AMD hate-

You're missing the point, this specification has absolutely nothing to do with AMD. This is about variable Vsync technology that isn't tied to only one of the three GPU manufacturers and is usable by everyone.
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First of all, you're being disingenuous or are misinformed with your sli/windowed mode statement. It works fine in SLI and has for a LONG Time. It doesn't work on the AMD side though, at least it didn't in 2012 with 7970CF. or 5870CF. Not sure if AMD fixed that. But based on their track record, PROBABLY NOT. Anyway, I don't buy GPUs or CPUs based on pity. I don't buy AMD or nvidia based on pity. I dont' care if they're smaller. I want the better product. I don't buy the inferior product just because I feel SORRY for AMD. Boo hoo. Pity me. rolleyes.gif Make no mistake. AMD is a publicly traded company trying hard to get your money. Don't think for a second that they're anything less than a business out to get your money. The pity card is fun, but ridiculous. Nobody buys worse products based on pity unless they're stupid.

Like I outlined in my previous posts, I had way too many issues with AMD over the prior years. From 5870 CF to 7970 CF. I Know better now than to listen to their marketing BS. They promised so many things over the years only to not deliver. They promised eyefinity-CF fixes. Only that problem has existed 3+ years. STILL EXISTS on 280x and 79xx or prior cards. But their marketing told me, always, their fixes were imminent. Guess what. They lied to me numerous times. Every time I had an issue, I submitted bug reports to AMD. Guess how many of those issues got fixed? Well you see CF+ eyefinity/dx9 is STILL not fixed. 3 years later. What about the other issues? They fixed Witcher 2 crashing in crossfire. AFTER FIVE MONTHS. They told me to get a MST hub with my 5870s in 2010. Only MST hubs didn't exist until 2013. Yawn. I could go on and on with this forever.

I don't care if AMD is smaller, although I don't think AMD is smaller than nvidia. The point is. I don't buy products based on pity. I buy products based on what's the better product. I buy products from companies that DONT LIE to me. I buy products from companies that DELIVER. Not ones that have their marketing doing the talking.

I'll tell you what. Free-sync is marketing BS. Number one, free-sync is clearly a shot at nvidia's g-sync. What's hilarious, though, is that free-sync requires an add-on control module for monitors just like g-sync does. AMD's marketing lying to you. Yet again. Yet someone is going to tell me that THIS COMPANY deserves your money. Excuse me while I roll my eyes. You go right ahead and buy into their marketing bullcrap. Some of has learned to never trust their marketing. Everything they tell you is based on half truth with very few exceptions. I'll also add. G-sync wasn't announced until nvidia had monitor partners on board. They had a price ready. They had control boards ready. They had a plan to market. Timeframe to market. Compare this to free-sync. What does AMD have? What monitor partners do they have? Where is their control board that is variable refresh aware? What is their timeframe to market? You see where i'm going with this? AMD == marketing fluff. AMD has nothing with free-sync. It's a marketing stunt to take attention away from g-sync for a few weeks. Nothing more nothing less.

AMD brought us GDDR5 and eventually and open API (Mantle). Project Free Sync will become a reality, you keep riding the Intel and Nvidia train buddy!
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AMD brought us GDDR5 and eventually and open API (Mantle). Project Free Sync will become a reality, you keep riding the Intel and Nvidia train buddy!

Mantle is AMD's thing, sure, but GDDR5 was not invented by AMD. Not sure where you get that idea. Unless you take AMD's marketing at face value, which it really sounds like you do. LOL.

So based on your wording , you dislike intel CPUs as well? That's very interesting.
Edited by xoleras - 1/9/14 at 1:59pm
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We are playing BF4 lottery unfortunately on our side, some patches are better than others. Picked it up for the PS4 instead, been fairly solid.

But you know you purposely cherry picked that tongue.gif

i was about to go green march last year. i was ready, then 320.18 came out. lol
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But I should take Nvidia's marketing at face value? Also based on your previous post you dislike AMD? Interesting but not surprising!
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But I should take Nvidia's marketing at face value?

Nope. What you should take at face value is how frequently software bugs come up and how long it takes the respective companies to fix them. Here you have AMD with 3 year outstanding bugs on all 79xx and prior cards that are still not fixed. AMD essentially gave the middle finger to all of those customers. Microstutter in eyefinity/CF was reported by websites in 2012. AMD admitted to the problem. THEY HAVE YET TO FIX IT. Broken promises. Furthermore, see what the marketing of these companies say and what they do. Let's take g-sync for example. Nvidia did not announce it until they finalized the control board, Had monitor manufacturers on board. Had a release date set. Had an upgrade program in place.

Compare this to AMD's marketing for free sync: First, the name "Free-sync" is a clear shot at nvidia. But it isn't free, since eDP doesn't exist on desktop monitors; it requires a variable refresh control module in monitors just like g-sync does. AMD marketing lied to you about "free". Control module isn't free. New monitor isn't free. Then, it requires displayport 1.3. DP1.3 isn't finalized yet and likely won't be finalized until this summer/fall. On top of this, AMD has zero panel manufacturers. Hilariously enough, AT interviewed the demo'ees and they stated they don't know when this is coming to market. They have no plans to product-tize it. So let's review. AMD has no panel manufacturers on board. They haven't designed the control module for monitors yet. They have no release time frame. They have nothing.

See the difference here? Nvidia delivers on their promises more often than not. AMD doesn't. That's the bottom line. That's on top of the fact that AMD's software team is incompetent, heck they have THREE YEAR SOFTWARE BUGS on all 79xx and prior cards. They told me in 2010 to get a MST hub to fix tearing in eyefinity on my 5870 CF setup. Only MST hubs WERENT RELEASED until 2013, and were only released in Europe by Club 3d.

You see where i'm going with this? The correlation here is that AMD cannot be trusted. Their marketers are liars. Nvidia aren't saints, but they at least follow through on their promises more often than not. Nvidia has a plan for g-sync. You can buy G-sync monitors now. Free-sync? It's a marketing stunt and AMD has nothing. No time frame to market. No monitor manufactuers. No variable refresh control module for monitors. Again. You cannot trust a word AMD's marketing tells you. They're full of lies and half truths. History has proven this time and time again. I could name more examples of AMD's marketing being liars if you'd like, but I suspect that would be a waste of time. You know i'm right. HD3D, eyefinity, full of so many promised software fixes that were never delivered upon. AMD cannot be trusted, as I said. So when I see all of this marketing bullcrap about free-sync, I know what's up. I know AMD is full of it.
Edited by xoleras - 1/9/14 at 2:11pm
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Mantle is AMD's thing, sure, but GDDR5 was not invented by AMD. Not sure where you get that idea. Unless you take AMD's marketing at face value, which it really sounds like you do. LOL.

So based on your wording , you dislike intel CPUs as well? That's very interesting.

 

Its actually kinda funny. Most of the articles say it was a collaboration between AMD and the JEDEC standards body, but in reality, this is how large the JEDEC standards body (and AMD is conveniently part of it, along with Nvidia).

 

Spoilered for ridiculous amount of Corporations in JEDEC (Click to show)

 

AMD did indeed collaborate with JEDEC....because they are a part of JEDEC. AMD was just the main corporation to market it out that they were magically the ones who made GDDR5 happen. And they were quite effective at said marketing. 

 

In fact, Qimonda was the first to present GDDR5, and the first manufacturer of said memory. AMD, indeed was the first GPGPU-manufacturer to incorporate Qimonda's GDDR5 chips into their cards.

 

AMD, however, was not the main inventor of said technology. Nor were they the first people who even brought us GDDR5. That would be Qimonda (offshoot of Infineon Technologies).

 

 

I don't care whichever side someone is on, but I do hate seeing misinformation.

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Sucks when the actual subject matter experts (software developers, administrators, network engineers) have no say in the decisions, any they're all entirely made based on sales pitches to the upper managerment......

*grumbles grumbles

AMD advertising and Salesman (not to offend anybody); two of things I trust the least.

You're just wrong. You can't plan out products like CPU/GPU architectures which take over a year of development and testing without having the technical know how.
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