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Then the commercial monitor produtcs with FreeSynch support not exist yet.
Support to the tecnology is required like Gsynch.

I Thinked Free Synch was supported by all monitors, almost the modern models, another epic fail by AMD. mad.gif

I don't know why you thinked that but Free Sync still has much greater appeal over G-Sync, IF they are able to make it standards based.
Nvidia does not want variable refresh rate to become standardized because they want to keep the technology proprietary and expensive. Nvidia is big on closed and proprietary technology, to the detriment of consumers.
G-Sync becomes an also ran once variable refresh becomes standard in all new monitors. Why pay more for a G-Sync branded monitor when you can get a monitor with the same technology, that will work on any graphics card, with way more options of which monitor to buy.
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What is the point of these technologies that nVidia/ATI have created? How are they better than VSync? Are they just more efficient performance wise or do they actually improve image quality? Are they just a gimmick to get people to buy a new nVidia/ATI card and a new display?
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post #193 of 321
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I don't know why you thinked that but Free Sync still has much greater appeal over G-Sync, IF they are able to make it standards based.
Nvidia does not want variable refresh rate to become standardized because they want to keep the technology proprietary and expensive. Nvidia is big on closed and proprietary technology, to the detriment of consumers.
G-Sync becomes an also ran once variable refresh becomes standard in all new monitors. Why pay more for a G-Sync branded monitor when you can get a monitor with the same technology, that will work on any graphics card, with way more options of which monitor to buy.

But it isn't now, and wont' be available for years at best right? so why shouldn't they push the envelope? are you saying they should NOT offer something that no one else does?

IMHO, display tech has been very stagnant. 1080p LCD displays of varying sizes (<20" to 70"<) are so ubiquitous that it saddens me. Apple has been pushing hi-rez hard, and nvidia is pushing aside the idea (IN FACT) that monitor based refresh rates are no longer the best we've got. I say keep it up to both companies.
 
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But it isn't now, and wont' be available for years at best right? so why shouldn't they push the envelope? are you saying they should NOT offer something that no one else does?

IMHO, display tech has been very stagnant. 1080p LCD displays of varying sizes (<20" to 70"<) are so ubiquitous that it saddens me. Apple has been pushing hi-rez hard, and nvidia is pushing aside the idea (IN FACT) that monitor based refresh rates are no longer the best we've got. I say keep it up to both companies.

I never said they shouldn't release the product. If they hadn't AMD wouldn't be pushing a standard.Why do people insist on creating strawmen for them to knock down? Is it because they can't argue what is posted?
The idea that it will takes years for an AMD, standards based solution is preposterous though.
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What is the point of these technologies that nVidia/ATI have created? How are they better than VSync? Are they just more efficient performance wise or do they actually improve image quality? Are they just a gimmick to get people to buy a new nVidia/ATI card and a new display?

syncing to the monitor was done because CRTs could not easily change refresh rates on the fly. that is not the case for LCD, and the fact that we have been acting like a perfectly timed 60Hz with vsync on is the best we can do is silly. Displaying frames as soon as they're ready makes sense, does it not? why delay/skip frames because the monitor / GPU timing is off?
 
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post #196 of 321
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I never said they shouldn't release the product. If they hadn't AMD wouldn't be pushing a standard.Why do people insist on creating strawmen for them to knock down? Is it because they can't argue what is posted?
The idea that it will takes years for an AMD, standards based solution is preposterous though.

you implied it:
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Nvidia does not want variable refresh rate to become standardized because they want to keep the technology proprietary and expensive. Nvidia is big on closed and proprietary technology, to the detriment of consumers.

I put to you that you don't know what they're thinking, and being big on closed and proprietary is nothing new or unique. they have their own interests at heart, and I don't see a problem with them taking advantage of the situation.
 
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I for one, welcome any technology that advances monitors & gaming (I loved physx when it came out. the playable tech demo's should've been turned into full-on games). I would love to see someone offer a plasma quality 4k display with DP and GPU controlled refresh timing. TN/MVA/IPS all have plenty of issues. I want a reason to grab my monitors off my desk and throw them to the ground in amazement!

And on that note, more miniDP/DP connectors on GPUs! it's time for VGA/DVI/HDMI to have less presence on flagship/near flagship level cards! Right now, I have one monitor driven by miniDP, one driven by DP, and the other driven by DVI. that's just silly.

this is what the back of a card should look like:



or this:



not this:


or this:

Please tell me youre joking right? You do realize that quite a lot of people have Dual link DVI as a connector? And its quite a good one at that, there is no reason to change it to DP.
Also a lot of people have a TV attached to their pc, they need that HDMI connector. Dont just go off and ask for such ridiculous things, just because you happen to own Displayport.
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Please tell me youre joking right? You do realize that quite a lot of people have Dual link DVI as a connector? And its quite a good one at that, there is no reason to change it to DP.
Also a lot of people have a TV attached to their pc, they need that HDMI connector. Dont just go off and ask for such ridiculous things, just because you happen to own Displayport.

DP to HDMI and DVI adapters are cheap. Less than $20, and are usually included with the cards anyways.

The biggest roadblock is those that require dual-link DVI for 120 hz or 1440p or 1600p monitors. Active dual-link DP to DVI adapters cost close to $100, and take up a USB port each. People running three such displays would need $300 in adapters.
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DP to HDMI and DVI adapters are cheap. Less than $20, and are usually included with the cards anyways.

The biggest roadblock is those that require dual-link DVI for 120 hz or 1440p or 1600p monitors. Active dual-link DP to DVI adapters cost close to $100, and take up a USB port each. People running three such displays would need $300 in adapters.
Exactly and I am planning on getting said 1440p monitor which only has a single Dual-link DVI port to connect to. Im thankful that ub3rgr33k isnt in AMD or Nvidias Development Department.
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Exactly and I am planning on getting said 1440p monitor which only has a single Dual-link DVI port to connect to. Im thankful that ub3rgr33k isnt in AMD or Nvidias Development Department.

It's more like, there are multiple needs out there, and the needs of those that want multiple DP connectors only aren't being met with any current cards.
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