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Originally Posted by Particle View Post

AMD is generating interest in an optional feature of DP 1.3 that will likely encourage the feature to be widely exposed in later monitors.

Don't take this the wrong way (since I really wanted to say this ever since I read where an AMD rep basically said the same thing), but ...

If you believe that all AMD was doing was to generate interest in Display Port 1.3, then I have a bridge to sell people.

AMD did this to DIRECTLY try to counter nVidia G-Sync. AMD could care less about the Display Port standard, which has yet to be finalized. Nor does it care to help develop the new ASIC that will have to be put into monitors to make this all work.

The only thing "Free" about "FreeSync" is that AMD won't/can't charge money for a standard that isn't theirs and for an ASIC that they didn't develop (nor has anyone developed yet).

The Display Port 1.3 standard hasn't even been finalized, and it isn't even a sure thing that variable refresh rates will be in the standard.

Simply put, all this demo was is a very rough "Proof of concept" demo to counter G-Sync, which already has EVERYTHING lined up and monitors being produced (and not just a couple laptop displays that use eDP). nVidia is WAY AHEAD on this, and AMD is once again playing "catch up". If the Display Port 1.3 spec doesn't require variable refresh rates, then "FreeSync" is dead. Even if DP1.3 requires it, then a special ASIC chip will have to be put into the monitors to take advantage of it. Then AMD will have to write a new driver to update their cards (maybe they will get to this after the finish giving support to DirectX 9 games with their anti-stuttering code that they did for DirectX 10 and 11, after nVidia beat them over the head and AMD denied there was a problem for over a year).

Either way, G-Sync or "FreeSync", you will have to buy a new monitor. The difference is, nVidia controls the G-Sync standard and it is moving forward. AMD is hanging their hats (and HOPES) that another groups standard will do what they want and that monitor manufacturers develop the custom ASIC that is required.
post #22 of 321
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Originally Posted by Particle View Post

AMD is generating interest in an optional feature of DP 1.3 that will likely encourage the feature to be widely exposed in later monitors. No special hardware or licensing will be required, unlike nVidia's proprietary solution. Where you see failure, it seems just about everyone else sees leadership that will benefit all customers.

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As a general observation not directed toward the poster quoted, hasn't "epic" lost all meaning by this point? People would describe a good bowl of ramen noodles as being epic these days after all.
REQUIRED A MONITOR WITH VARIABLE VBLANK SUPPORT, and any of the best monitors actually in the shop now have this, so also FreeSynch required a feature.

What is the problem of GSynch ? The cost of the extra hardware ? Are you afraid to spend 100$ ?
GSynch i think will be better like running and will have a best support of games than a software solution.
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Gsync is restricted to nvidia cards
Freesync open to all cards
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Gsync is restricted to nvidia cards
Freesync open to all cards
all cards ? ONLY ATI !!!
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Originally Posted by CriticalHit View Post

Gsync is restricted to nvidia cards
Freesync open to all cards

No, G-Sync isn't restricted to nVidia cards. AMD either has to pay to use the technology or they will have to pay R&D costs to reverse engineer the technology.

Just like how nVidia doesn't get a "free lunch" with Mantle. Yes Mantle will WORK on nVidia cards, but it won't BENEFIT from it ... same with G-Sync. You can use an AMD card on a G-Sync capable monitor, but they won't get any benefit from it.

Bottom line, AMD doesn't get a "free lunch" from G-Sync, and nVidia doesn't get a "free lunch" from Mantle.


Also, since "FreeSync" relies on an as of yet specified feature of an as of yet ratified standard not controlled by AMD (aka Display Port 1.3 and "variable frame rate VBLANK") and also relies on monitor manufacturers to develop an ASIC that will support this, "FreeSync" is little more than a "proof of concept" project right now.

Basically the cobbled together a laptop (because it has eDP, and an ASIC that supports it ... but not all laptops do, and no desktop monitors support eDP) to show a demo to try and steal a tiny bit of thunder from nVidia and several monitor manufacturers who are showing hardware that is due out very soon. To make matters worse, AMD basically flat out lied and said they did it not because they are trying to counter G-Sync, but to support the upcoming Display Port 1.3 standard. I mean come on, EVERYONE knows that is a bald face lie ... so why even make it? Because AMD is playing "catch up" once again.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 1/8/14 at 7:24am
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And what are the monitors with ufficial support to DP 1.3 ?
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Basically Nvidia is offering new technology at a price,and AMD is saying just wait it will be free sooner or later.?This is why AMD is broke and cannot compete (sarcastic)
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i dont understand why people are getting excited about this. its not like Freesync is going to be something we will see on a gaming desktop monitor this year. Nvidia is way way ahead on this, and is already selling a solution to the problem.

Freesync is nothing more than AMD going " HEY GUYS!!! we know that Nvidia is releasing Gsync which will revolutionize the way people see gaming on a pc, but dont worry, sometime, maybe, possibly in the future we will have a technology that does the same thing! so please, continue to wait for us to deliver a sub par experience."

and all the AMD fanboys ( fanboys, not users) go PSsssH.... see Nvidia is just a money hungry jerk. AMD is moving gaming forward cause their solution is free. they are pioneers in the gaming industry, they have mantle and are in consoles.

well, yeah, its free. its free cause it only works on laptops, has no desktop implementation, and doesnt solve input lag, and isnt even close to being a real useable solution for AMD users.

Gsync is superior, is already released, and is getting huge praise from reviewers. its obvious that AMD is trying to take some of that away from Nvidia. i would too if i realized that my competitor has solved a problem that has been hassling gamers for years.

EDIT: this post will be taken as fanboydom, but its not. its just how it is. i still have hopes for mantle and what it can do for budget gaming, but freesync just doesnt seem like anything more than AMD trying to keep people interested in them.
Edited by jimlaheysadrunk - 1/8/14 at 8:01am
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i dont understand why people are getting excited about this. its not like Freesync is going to be something we will see on a gaming desktop monitor this year. Nvidia is way way ahead on this, and is already selling a solution to the problem.

Freesync is nothing more than AMD going " HEY GUYS!!! we know that Nvidia is releasing Gsync which will revolutionize the way people see gaming on a pc, but dont worry, sometime, maybe, possibly in the future we will have a technology that does the same thing! so please, continue to wait for us to deliver a sub par experience."

and all the AMD fanboys ( fanboys, not users) go PSsssH.... see Nvidia is just a money hungry jerk. AMD is moving gaming forward cause their solution is free. they are pioneers in the gaming industry, they have mantle and are in consoles.

well, yeah, its free. its free cause it only works on laptops, has no desktop implementation, and doesnt solve input lag, and isnt even close to being a real useable solution for AMD users.

Gsync is superior, is already released, and is getting huge praise from reviewers. its obvious that AMD is trying to take some of that away from Nvidia. i would too if i realized that my competitor has solved a problem that has been hassling gamers for years.

EDIT: this post will be taken as fanboydom, but its not. its just how it is. i still have hopes for mantle and what it can do for budget gaming, but freesync just doesnt seem like anything more than AMD trying to keep people interested in them.
From the way it's described, it'll do exactly what G-Sync does, and I'm sure AMD will work toward getting this into future monitors that have DP 1.3.

Like many, I'm not interested in getting another 1080p or 1440p monitor just for something like G-Sync. The next step is 4K, and I don't intend on using one of the make-shift methods of connection so I'll be waiting for DP 1.3 anyway. Most people will fall into this catagory.

G-Sync is great, but I wouldn't say it's revolutionary. It's falls in the same category as bridgeless Crossfire (and therein, the elimination of microstutter) for me.
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Originally Posted by mutantmagnet View Post

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Variable-Refresh-FreeSync-Could-Be-Alternative-NVIDIA-G-Sync
http://techreport.com/news/25878/nvidia-responds-to-amd-free-sync-demo
Article has some additional points such as what AMD expects to happen for Freesync to be adopted and when DP 1.3 will be released.

You will have to go back later to PCper to find out what desktop displays have the prototypes for DP 1.3 already implemented because this info is hard to pin down even for AMD.
What he said is incorrect LVDS is just an internal standard used in many areas and 80% of displays run fpd-link trough lvds or they use tmds.
That is the way the tcon is feeded in most cases saying it only works like that with lvds and eDP on laptops is a lie.
Edited by maarten12100 - 1/8/14 at 9:40am
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