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post #221 of 321
What good is software without the hardware to support it? Nothing as far as I'm aware.

Besides, your post was a reply to a guy who was talking about hardware requirements. Sure it's about drivers and firmware if we already have the hardware to support the tech. But we don't.

The original anand article was just low on info. Now we know more.
 
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post #222 of 321
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I am not speaking of DP1.3 as a whole but the Vblank portion.

 

AMD drivers already include PSR support. Nvidia weirdly has PSR capability (Sync-to-vblank) in their proprietary Linux drivers, and Quadro drivers for Windows. But for some reason it is weirdly specifically absent from their GeForce Windows drivers. Which by the time it became a universal standard, will probably be updated to include PSR (sync-to-vblank). Right now, Nvidia GeForce drivers use a variation of sync-to-vblank output for G-sync, but isn't what is required by the DP1.3 standard.

 

 

However, in the end, it matters jack all unless the actual hardware supports it. Which there is conveniently no devices that support it. And we probably won't be seeing desktop GPUs having DP1.3 hardware anytime soon. Probably the soonest we'd see it would be Maxwell, which would coincide with DP1.3 ratification (my guess of what'll happen in the future, could happen, could not happen).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, you quoted my post twice :P

post #223 of 321
I dont know why you still debate.You dont want to be a standard feature in the next years or something?
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READ THE ARTICLE. In stead of wasting valuable thread space, read the article of Freesync on laptops. It is mentioned being in the latest catalyst driver.

I'm sorry that it hurts your feelings, apparently, but AMD was pretty much downright deceptive in terms of what their reps stated in the original AT article. It was sparse on information and we now know more.

Here are the facts:

1) AMD's freesync demo only worked because their laptops used the eDP interface. eDP is not used in desktop monitors.
2) AMD's freesync requires displayport 1.3. Their GPUs do not support DP 1.3. DP 1.3 is not even finalized yet, and probably won't be until this summer or fall of 2014.
3) AMD's freesync requires a controller in the monitor that is variable refresh aware. This is NO DIFFERENT THAN g-sync which has a module for the SAME REASON. AMD's marketing lied and told you it was free.
4) Based on #3: new monitor is not free. new controller is not free. This ignores the fact that DP 1.3 monitors will not be on market for all of 2014 in all likelihood.
5) Freesync is marketing type designed to take attention away from g-sync.
6) Lastly, g-sync was not announced until it was DONE. nvidia has monitor partners READY. G-sync monitors are ready. The release time frame is set. Nvidia has a plan to get it to market.
7) Meanwhile, AMD's lying, I mean, marketing department has zero monitor partners. They don't have a release time frame. They have no plan to market.

AMD's marketing lied to you. Misled you. They had you alll thinking that a free g-sync was coming and coming soon, and you all ate it up. This is what AMD's marketing does. Half truths and lies. I've outlined this before, but based on how many times AMD failed me with 5870 and 7970CF? I know better than to ever listen to a freaking word they say. This is no exception. My suspicion is that Free-sync won't materialize at all in 2014.

Despite AMD lying to you. You'll still defend them to to the end. I truly don't understand AMD fans. I've been there done that, i've given AMD thousands of dollars for GPUs over the years. After them failing me and failing on promises, though, I'll tell you what. I'll never defend them or support them again.

IMO, what AMD needs to do is fire 80% of their scumbag marketing staff and use that money towards engineers. For software and hardware. That would truly help them making compelling products without the marketing bullcrap. Instead we have what we have. AMD marketing fluff who will lie to you, they will do anything to get your money. But will they deliver on their promises? Considering 5870-7970CF still doesn't have eyefinity fixed 3 years later, I would say no. My 2 5870CF paperweights sitting here in my closet? Which still have tearing in eyefinity 3 years later? They tell me, AMD won't deliver on promises.
Edited by xoleras - 1/10/14 at 6:05am
post #225 of 321
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I dont know why you still debate.You dont want to be a standard feature in the next years or something?
 
I can say I most definitely want it to be a standard feature. And I hope that it gets done fast. Non-proprietary is always great, especially for the consumer. And its something to work towards. I'm just trying to be realistic, rather than falling for hype. And I hate misinformation.
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I dont know why you still debate.You dont want to be a standard feature in the next years or something?

I think some of us are more upset with AMD's deception...
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No need for debates.Koduri said that is a feature that will get adopted the next years.If someone cant read just let him.Now ,i think,what we should do is to push monitors makers to support it soon with some kind of petition
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I think some of us are more upset with AMD's deception...

Deception?Where?
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Regardless, the good news here is that AMD believes a very effective G-Sync-like variable refresh technology shouldn't add any cost at all to a display or system. The term "free sync" is already being spoken as shorthand for this technology at AMD.

That said, AMD is still in the early stages of cooking up a potential product or feature along these lines, and it has nothing official to announce just yet.

AMD believes the primary constraint in making this capability widespread is still monitor support. Although adding dynamic refresh to a monitor may cost next to nothing, monitor makers have shown they won't bother unless they believe there's some obvious demand for that feature. PC enthusiasts and gamers who want to see "free sync" happen should make dynamic refresh support a requirement for their next monitor purchase. If monitor makers get the message, then it seems likely AMD will do its part to make dynamic display synchronization a no-cost-added feature for Radeon owners everywhere.

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I can say I most definitely want it to be a standard feature. And I hope that it gets done fast. Non-proprietary is always great, especially for the consumer. And its something to work towards. I'm just trying to be realistic, rather than falling for hype. And I hate misinformation.

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I think some of us are more upset with AMD's deception...

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Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 1/10/14 at 6:11am
post #229 of 321
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No need for debates.Koduri said that is a feature that will get adopted the next years.If someone cant read just let him.Now ,i think,what we should do is to push monitors makers to support it soon with some kind of petition

Koduri doesn't control the Display Port standard. So he can't say what WILL and will not get adopted. Koduri and AMD are just but one tiny part of the Display Port group ... just like nVidia is.
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Koduri doesn't control the Display Port standard. So he can't say what WILL and will not get adopted. Koduri and AMD are just but one tiny part of the Display Port group ... just like nVidia is.

Correct. And this is beside the fact that variable refresh control boards are entirely optional - like it or not, variable refresh is only used by gamers and the vast majority of monitors will still be designed for 60hz operation. So my point here? The variable refresh control board that AMD requires to be installed in monitors is 100% optional by monitor vendors. It is not going to be part of the displayport 1.3 specification, because it is by no means required by every monitor. It is a gamer feature. DP 1.3 isn't even finalized, and we don't know when it will be finalized. On that note, when it finalized, is AMD releasing new GPUs for DP 1.3? Since they themselves stated that free-sync requires DP 1.3?

And again, I should remind, that AMD's marketing free-sync as free. It turns out that AMD requires a variable refresh control board in monitors just like nvidia does. I find that fact to be hilarious, it's such an outright lie on AMD's part to suggest that free-sync is "free". Variable refresh control board isn't free, new monitor isn't free, like i've stated before.

I know i've mentioned this before in the thread, but i'll throw it out there again. I used 5870 crossfire in 2010, which had tearing in eyefinity configurations. I submitted a ticket to AMD and their answer, to fix this problem, was to get a MST hub. Only problem? MST hubs weren't on the market - this was in 2010. So I submitted multiple tickets to them over many months. Their answer? "It's coming really soon, any month now!". Guess what. MST hubs didn't arrive until 2013, and they only arrived in European markets in FALL 2013. It was not available for purchase from 2010-2013, and was never available in the USA, despite AMD telling me that it was coming really soon.

What's funny though is that EVGA, an nvidia vendor, just released a MST hub in December 2013. I think. I find that funny and ironic for some reason.

Yawn. Anyway, I hate being lied to. Despite all of this I still bought a 6970 and 7970CF. Why? I was stupid I guess. I know better now, though - fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Until AMD has a fundamental change in their marketing and engineering philosophy, i'll stick with nvidia. I don't like the fact that nvidia is cocky. I don't like the fact that they charge too much. But i'll tell you what. Nvidia in my experience is reliable. They've never promised something to consumers that wasn't delivered upon. That's the key difference between AMD and nvidia - delivering on what they say. What AMD says and does are two different things.
Edited by xoleras - 1/10/14 at 6:20am
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