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I've seen it a couple times in person now. It's very nice, but not necessary to have. Also, input lag has nothing to do with it.
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yep, and thats the problem. you have gamed for so long with screen tear and input lag that you dont notice it. doesnt mean its not there, and it doesnt mean that you wont benefit from gsync.

Gsync is something that the non believers will have to just see in person. i dont need to see it to know im going to love it.

Well vsync does remove tearing, it just has input lag. I have tried vsync and can't see any difference. The input lag with vsync is crazy, though.
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Well vsync does remove tearing, it just has input lag. I have tried vsync and can't see any difference. The input lag with vsync is crazy, though.

input lag is really annoying, id rather have tearing than input lag. but, i would really rather have neither of them. which is what gsync will do for me.
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input lag is really annoying, id rather have tearing than input lag. but, i would really rather have neither of them. which is what gsync will do for me.

Yeah, the problem for me is that Nvidia GPU's are overpriced (cold hard truth and fact; doesn't mean they are bad), AMD GPU's generate income from mining and I think monitors are already too expensive, adding 100€ more (or whatever the EU price is going to be) is not helping at all biggrin.gif

Please note that this is just my personal opinion and for many people Nvidia GPU's are a great option
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Well it wasn't such a huge problem before they decided to fix it. Before G-Sync came out nobody was talking about the need to fix "one of the longest running problems", but it is great that people have their fix now and all. For me it doesn't seem to offer great satisfaction. I really haven't experienced tearing or I don't notice it at least so it doesn't fix anything for me biggrin.gif

That's because no one (except for those that did) could think of a way to fix said problem. g-sync with enough power to hold near 60fps = best option right now.
 
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That's because no one (except for those that did) could think of a way to fix said problem. g-sync with enough power to hold near 60fps = best option right now.

60 fps is not the best option for competitive fps gaming, vsync or not. Also isn't it a little odd that nobody had thought of a fix and suddenly there's two? biggrin.gif
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60 fps is not the best option for competitive fps gaming, vsync or not.

Yes it is. Any game running an average of 60fps or higher has been labeled best possible gameplay performance in the gaming industry & that has been the benchmark for top performance for over 3yrs now if not more.
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Also isn't it a little odd that nobody had thought of a fix and suddenly there's two? biggrin.gif

The "fix" was not feasible when CRTs were king. now that they're not, there's plenty of ways to implement GPU driven display refreshing.
 
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60 fps is not the best option for competitive fps gaming, vsync or not. Also isn't it a little odd that nobody had thought of a fix and suddenly there's two? biggrin.gif

Well, it is significantly easier to come up with your own solution after you have seen someone else's solution.
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Also isn't it a little odd that nobody had thought of a fix and suddenly there's two? biggrin.gif

The "fix" was not feasible when CRTs were king. now that they're not, there's plenty of ways to implement GPU driven display refreshing.

if i may.

actually g-sync was in the works for several years before it was announced.

and while i am at it; something i had in my mind as i read these free sync threads on a less than desirable android phone while laying in a hospital bed for the most part of the week (with more tubes and wires going to, coming out and through me as much as a rig-of -the month-build):

not every cent added to the cost of a monitor enabled with g-sync goes to nvidia. as someone who has dealt with audio/video/lighting and high density material storage, a dealer or manufacturer when implementing third party software or hardware can and will pad mark up the cost anywhere from 50% to 300% along with the added cost of the labor for installation.

take the ASUS VG248QE that normally costs ~$280 and is $400 with g-sync; a $120 difference. since the g-sync module retail costs is $199; where its most likely marked up 300% from wholesale; what asus gets it for ($60). so out of the $120 difference, nvidia is most likely getting half; the other $60.

please understand supply chain and production costs - such as having to retool assembly lines in manufacturing plants - before blaming an OEM for premium costs. bejesus, how many AIB partners have we seen that added $20+ for a few half cent components like a capacitor on a graphics card? and that didn't even cause any retooling, just grabbing another/different bin.

ok i said it before. its great that AMD has shown it supports the VESA standard of the VBLANK to provide a variable refresh rate and are trying to push desktop monitor manufacturers to do the same. but that will take some time and most likely increase the cost - it only goes to reason that a "better" monitor will cost more. look at the difference in price between 5ms and 1ms response times for monitors. but the argument can be made that its the monitors supporting a standard that increased the cost and not free sync per se.

personally i could buy that. so free sync will be free for folks buying a new monitor supporting a future standard. g-sync on the other hand does come with a direct cost. and really, there is always an early adopter's fee for most anything in the tech world.

nothing to get the panties bunched up in either case IMHO.


cheers.
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